An open question to Royal, and Shrink

JayC · Mar 31, 2005

Royal,

These are very simple questions. Not arguments.

Are people being slow paid? Have people been slow paid in the past 6 months?

Does Tej have equity in Royal?

Now you may not like the honest answers, and I already know that you have confirmed the Tej story to Shrink, and I am aware of some of the slow pays. But if you are going to bother coming in here, how about fessing up instead of just trying to change the subject?

Shrink,

What gives? Why, after what you know is this place suddenly back up top again? Is it because they have a contract? Is it because you are afraid of litigation?

No, I am not an account holder at Royal but I am a member of this community.

wilheim · Mar 31, 2005

I can't speak for Royal or Shrink but want mention Shrink is traveling through the weekend and will have limited posting time until early next week.

wil.

REDEYE · Mar 31, 2005

Jay C, Who in the Hell is TEJ ? and since your not an account holder at Royal what are you so worked up about ? besides being in the community. I'm in the so called "Community" also but I don't get all that worked up about Shops that I have no involvement in.

JayC · Mar 31, 2005

Tej is a known scammer who left the customers high and dry at at least two operations, Pyramid, and Score Sportsbook. If the old archives hadn't been tossed you would see the stories.

To quote Major from across the street from December, 2001:

"The only info you need to know about Tej is....RUN dont walk.

The Major"

I know Shrink is traveling, I was on the phone with him yesterday, for quite a bit.

Why am I worked up? Because I have a problem with places that slow pay and/or stiff people. That's why. Because I think this place should hold itself to some higher standards. That's why.

I have said before if ONE person is being slow paid that is TOO MANY. There have been more than that the past six months.

Let Royal answer the questions, they are not difficult.

I have the luxury of knowing the answers.

TOW · Mar 31, 2005

Jay,

I just got back from Panama. Please give me a call. 866-5740-TOW.

Thanks.

Frankie5angels · Mar 31, 2005

Jay has every right to be "worked up". I as a poster would want to know if the person behind a book is a scamster rat fink. The folks behind Royal know they have slow paid people. Just deny it royal and I will produce them for you.

PLEASE , PLEASE , DO... THIS SHOULD BE FUN!!!

aceduecetrey · Mar 31, 2005

JayC- I guess in a perfect world everyone would just use WSEX?

Frankie5angels · Mar 31, 2005

WSEX is a good book because you know your money is safe. They hold way too much on futures compared to other books and will use the delay tactic on your account and start denying bets if you have a pulse.

JayC · Mar 31, 2005

Yes, in a perfect world. haha

But we don't live in a perfect world but I will endorse the following other books in no particular order.

WWTS
SOS
Grande
Pinnacle
CRIS
Olympic

How many books do you need as a recreational player?

This is not about WSEX. I want nothing more than to see a strong industry. I don't ever want to have to answer a question again about XXX book stiffing everyone, especially when I often tell media people that this is one of several places where you can find out who is reputable and who isn't. And I think I speak to the media more than anyone else here.

D2bets · Mar 31, 2005

I agree with Jay. There are too many good people and good books out there to associate with stiffs and slow-payers. It hurts the industry as a whole.

REDEYE · Mar 31, 2005

Jay C ,do you get worked up about other shops that have slow payed that your not involved with. For instance My Bookie was a slow pay for awhile, I was there too, did you get involved with that. Another questiuon I have about this TEJ character is, you say he is a scammer. So how does a " Scammer "get involved with one of the Oldest Shops around. Does Royal just let this Scammer into their operation for free and he gets to Scam all of us that has accounts at Royal. Or does this Scammer Buy his way into Royal with his own money and ruin Royals reputation andhe loses his investment too because Royal has gone down the tubes.

JayC · Mar 31, 2005

Yes, I do get upset about other places. I get upset about everyone, and I get upset every time I see a third tier book at the top of this site or across the street.

I have fought for this industry harder than many of you know. And I will not sit by and watch this nonsense without saying something.

I don't know how he got involved with Royal but he is. Maybe he bought in with the post up money he stole elsewhere? Does it really matter? Royal has acknowledged he has an equity stake.

You make Royal sound like the NY Times of offshore sportsboks. They are not the venerable old lady of offshore. They have been removed from this site prior to last week at least four times. They have a history of slow paying, and a history of shady dealing. Remember the $6,000 western union fee for the $11,000 withdrawal, that was Royal.

And most importantly, they have a recent history of slow paying. But Fishhead says the slow pays have slowed down so it's ok. Sheesh.

bigbet1234 · Mar 31, 2005

Jay, just like anywhere else, money talks. There is no answer to your questions, you have answered them all.

What I have learned, is you cant even trust the books that advertise here, or across the street or anywhere for that matter.

I have also learned not to play at books from recommendations from these sites, sad to say, but I feel these sites are not in our best interest.

The info from the post and posters are most helpful.

I also find it hard to believe whey someone has not came in and FULLY addressed this issue.

THESE ARE SOME MAJOR ISSUES with a book still allowing to advertise on a site, that is "SUPPOSE" to be looking out for the posters best interest.

Agree with eveything you say Jay, but truely, it will probably just get swept under the carpet.

Thanks,

BB

REDEYE · Mar 31, 2005

All I can go by is never have had a slow pay by Royal and I have to look at it honestly. I would be one they would cut off because I have had a lot of success their. But they keep paying on time including today.They sponser Contests, they come to the RX Bash, pass out money,they got a nice shop as far as futures and game lines. I understand from this forum that they have had problems in the past, but I get the impression that things are fine now. Is there a poster out there that hasn't got paid. Still not enough info about this so called Scammer or what he is doing to Royal for me to get worked up over.

bigbet1234 · Mar 31, 2005

RED EYE, you dont have enough info about this "scammer" it has been stated a proven FACT he as stiffed many at 2 books he was associated with. And this is not enough to get worked up over?

RED EYE said:
All I can go by is never have had a slow pay by Royal and I have to look at it honestly. I would be one they would cut off because I have had a lot of success their. But they keep paying on time including today.They sponser Contests, they come to the RX Bash, pass out money,they got a nice shop as far as futures and game lines. I understand from this forum that they have had problems in the past, but I get the impression that things are fine now. Is there a poster out there that hasn't got paid. Still not enough info about this so called Scammer or what he is doing to Royal for me to get worked up over.

billpapa · Mar 31, 2005

If Tej bought a piece of Royal with his money (whether ill gotten or not) there is perhaps little that Royal could have done. If Tej (assuming he is a known scammer) is running or at least influencing the way Royal is run that's another, very serious, matter.

REDEYE · Mar 31, 2005

Thats what i'm trying to find out here. How does a so called known scammer get involved with Royal to where he can scam people out of there money. How did he do it before.Does he just get into their accounts and take the money out or what ? And does Royal know about this guy and they just give him the keys to the freaking operation, put him in charge to let him scam and do whatever the hell he wants too. Do you think Royal takes a look at this thread and say Oh No, the cat is out of the bag and now everybody is going to find out our involement with this scammer and we are all going down the tubes.I just don't understand that this person with a bad repuation, can get involved with this shop.In other words I need to know more. Once I know more I can freaking do something about it. I can tell you right now,the reason Jeff pearson was ran out of Luckys and this industry is what Kermit and I did to the piece of ****. So what can you tell me about this TEJ dude for the last time.

wanderer · Mar 31, 2005

Anyone who is concerned about playing with Royal can just join SGA for free and not worry about getting stiffed. Royal has bailed a lot of people out from real scam books that stiffed people. Unless they start slowpaying people and according to posters they are paying fast today, they deserve to be supported.

REDEYE · Mar 31, 2005

What happened at Luckys a few years ago was a scam. Until I see evidence that supports Royal is doing the same, they are a first rate Shop with me

ChuckSims · Mar 31, 2005

Royal Sports is BAD news. Thank god we have someone like Jay C. to contribute to this site. It has been confirmed that a well known scammer(Tej) is part of Royal Sports. Numerous slow pays can only lead to no pays.