yep they would be.RPM said:if the lakers kept shaq and dumped kobe last year, would they be making the playoffs this year?
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Of course.
If they trade Kobe, they get someone like Duane Wade in return (I know Miami wouldn't tade Wade for Shaq, btw). Would the Raptors not have traded Kobe for Vince Carter straight up? The Nets would have traded Kobe for Kenyon Martin, and Golden State would have traded Kobe for J Rich and the Clippers would have certainly traded Kobe for Corey Maggette.
Even if they outright released Kobe and got nothing in return, they would be in the playoffs as a 6th or 7th or 8th seed.
Keep in mind that if the had released Kobe, they save cap room and they keep Phil Jackson too.
Kobe is not a winner. Kobe was simply Shaq's sidekick. People have realized it now. They got Odom and Butler in return for Shaq and they're in 10th place? If they had gotten those two in return for Kobe, they would be AT LEAST a 3-4 seed.
If they trade Kobe, they get someone like Duane Wade in return (I know Miami wouldn't tade Wade for Shaq, btw). Would the Raptors not have traded Kobe for Vince Carter straight up? The Nets would have traded Kobe for Kenyon Martin, and Golden State would have traded Kobe for J Rich and the Clippers would have certainly traded Kobe for Corey Maggette.
Even if they outright released Kobe and got nothing in return, they would be in the playoffs as a 6th or 7th or 8th seed.
Keep in mind that if the had released Kobe, they save cap room and they keep Phil Jackson too.
Kobe is not a winner. Kobe was simply Shaq's sidekick. People have realized it now. They got Odom and Butler in return for Shaq and they're in 10th place? If they had gotten those two in return for Kobe, they would be AT LEAST a 3-4 seed.
cincy_hugg said:
Great points. If the Lakers would have traded Kobe for Wade, I promise you the Heat would not be the #1 seed in the east right now. Shaq would take any team in the NBA, to the playoffs. Hornets, Hawks you pick your team put shaq on it, and they make the playoffs. Kobe is proving thats not the case with him.
100 percent yes.
i was one of those people that thought the lakers did a good thing by keeping kobe. he was younger and shaq had some injury problems. i guess thats why i am not a GM. i can think of at least 10 players i would rather build by team around than kobe. and since i have a few minutes here is a list in no specific order:
1- Amare
2- Lebron
3- Shaq
4- Wade
5- Nash
6- Garnett
7- Duncan
8- Iverson
9- Kidd
10- Mcgrady
11- Dirk
i was one of those people that thought the lakers did a good thing by keeping kobe. he was younger and shaq had some injury problems. i guess thats why i am not a GM. i can think of at least 10 players i would rather build by team around than kobe. and since i have a few minutes here is a list in no specific order:
1- Amare
2- Lebron
3- Shaq
4- Wade
5- Nash
6- Garnett
7- Duncan
8- Iverson
9- Kidd
10- Mcgrady
11- Dirk
Heck, if they didnt have Kobe, they wouldn't be playing 4 against 5. There would be someone else there.
... and you can't point to specific games and specific matchups either. If we did that I could actually get away with saying that without ROBERT HORRY they would have lost at least two playoff series, and without Derek Fisher, they wouldn't have that miracle shot against the Spurs.
Horry and Kobe and Fisher made the shots. Shaq got them there. That is why Shaq is the MAN and they are the sidekicks.
Like ma man Snoop says, "Everybody needs a sidekick"
... and you can't point to specific games and specific matchups either. If we did that I could actually get away with saying that without ROBERT HORRY they would have lost at least two playoff series, and without Derek Fisher, they wouldn't have that miracle shot against the Spurs.
Horry and Kobe and Fisher made the shots. Shaq got them there. That is why Shaq is the MAN and they are the sidekicks.
Like ma man Snoop says, "Everybody needs a sidekick"
You guys are overreacting, without Kobe they would have 1 title of the three at most.
He's still a top player, and I would rather have him over any of the other selfish malcontents like Vince Carter, etc... Kobe definitely wants to win, which I can't say for Carter.
He's still a top player, and I would rather have him over any of the other selfish malcontents like Vince Carter, etc... Kobe definitely wants to win, which I can't say for Carter.
Kobe may want to win but he has to be the man.....
The reason the Lakers are where they are is that Kobe destroys a teams flow on offense because he has to be the man.....Anyone can score as many points as Kobe if they took that many shots a game..
Shaq makes people better Kobe does not that is the bottom line....
The Lakers have made their bed and I love it I hope they suck for the next ten years because of Kobe....
The reason the Lakers are where they are is that Kobe destroys a teams flow on offense because he has to be the man.....Anyone can score as many points as Kobe if they took that many shots a game..
Shaq makes people better Kobe does not that is the bottom line....
The Lakers have made their bed and I love it I hope they suck for the next ten years because of Kobe....
