Is it IMPOSSIBLE to MAKE A "LOSER" into a "WINNER"?

WHy is it,,, When you want to help someone WIN at capping,,,, they never listen,,,,and you might as well be talking to a BRICK WALL?

I honestly think some people just dont want to frickin win,,,, is there such a thing as a "LOSER GENE"?????

Im serious,,,,,, hmmmmm something to ponder as I go to sleep,,,,,

tater

maybe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they want to play their OWN plays,,,,,,,,,
and,,,,,,,,,,,,,rather lose,,,,,,,,,their own money with their own,,,,,,,plays and not take someone elses,,,,,,,,,,plays and lose.

what ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,about that

i have a friend who askes my help or for plays all the time. she goes against me every time. i think people like that think we are the general public when in reality were the ones doing our homework. some people are self destructive and lose because they dont think they can win.as for making a loser a winner see trading places.lmao.

roxygurl said:

i have a friend who askes my help or for plays all the time. she goes against me every time. i think people like that think we are the general public when in reality were the ones doing our homework. some people are self destructive and lose because they dont think they can win.as for making a loser a winner see trading places.lmao.

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ME NOT AMONG THEM. THERE ARE ENOUGH GOOD CAPPERS TO BACK THEM HAS TO BE $$$

I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the losing path in many ways is the easier looking path of the two. For most people it's better to lose "with the crowd" than go agaist them and risk losing alone.

Perhaps its simply that people are looking for validation of their own picks and if they do not obtain validation from you they get it from the person picking the losers.

According to the book, "The Psychology of Gambling" by Edmund Bergler M.D. in the Foreword the following.

"When the psychology of gamblers is viewed through the psychiatric-psychoanalytic microscope, it becomes clear that the basic problem is precisely that point which is erroneously taken for granted and considered self-evident: the gamblers apparent aim to win.

I submit that the gambler is not simply a rational though "weak" individual who is willing to run the risk of failure and moral censure in order to get money the easy way but a neurotic with an unconscious wish to lose... The purpose of this book is to substantiate with clinical proof, the theory that the gambler has an unconscious wish to lose and therefore always loses in the long run.

The answer according to psychoanalytic is that its impossible to make a loser into a winner. The neurotic wish to lose will sabotage the gambler everytime. ie chasing and abandoning rational money management.

Now the above view is psychoanalytic in nature. A simplistic view:There are two schools of thought in psychiatry, psychoanalytic and behavioral and the camps are at odds with each other regarding the causes of behavior. Psychoanalytic view tries to find the reason for behaviors ie subconcious, neuroses. emotional needs etc. Behavioral psychiatry doesnt care about the causes of the behavior, they just focus on stopping the behavior or continuing it. Example for both:1) You go to a psychoanalytical psychiatrist and say. " I'm 45 years old and I suck my thumb and I want to stop". The psychoanalytical psychiatrist will have you lie on the couch and 2 years later you fing out that the reason you suck your thumb is that when you were 4 years old your mom left you in the living room alone while she went upstairs to get a book. At that moment there was a tremendous thunder clap that scared you to no end and traumatizing you severely stuck your thumb in your mouth for instant comfort and that behavior continues whenever you are stressed or scared even though you are 45. Now you can work for another two years on finding better coping mechanisms. Now, 2) You go to a behavioral psychiatrist and say" I'm 45 years old and I suck my thumb and I want to stop". He coats your thumb with hot sauce and tells you to constantly have your thumb coated. We'll after 2 days of your mouth burning you stop sucking your thumb. The behavioral psychiatrist doesnt care why you suck your thumb, just that you want to end that behavior and he did it in 2 days. The psychoanalytical psychiatrist comes back and says to the behavioral psychiatrist, "Fine you got him to stop but since you don't know why he sucks his thumb, his thumb sucking behavior is going to manifest itself into some other pathological behvior." And the battle rages on between the two camps.

I'm a layman and the above is a simplistic view. I'm from the behavioral camp and believe that with strict behavioral control in the form of unbreakable betting rules (i.e. Always take the better defense, don't lay more than 6 on the road in the NFL. Dont bet against home dogs in college football etc etc don't bet under the influence. Don't bet unless you have Capped the game 1 hour prior to it going off. Don't bet the 2 highest scoring teams in the league UNDER when they face each other no matter how high the line is etc etc there are at least 20 rules that I try to adhere to) you can override the subconcious wish to lose. Take the emotional aspect out of it, is one way of looking at it. Have a mechanical system, (Like you have in the NBA.tate). Its very hard to do. I broke a rule today and bet my first baseball game on impulse just cause I was home at 10:am I bet it, capping it 5 minutes before the first pitch and took Atlanta as a home favorite laying 157 and sure enough got my ass handed to me. If I would have taken my time I would have read that Atlanta pitcher sucked last year and that his first game this Year was a fluke. Oh yeah I broke another rule dont bet the first 4 weeks of baseball season and another dont bet favorites over 130.

Well tate I couldnt sleep and wrote the above ramble. In short the unconcious wish to lose is a MFer and most succumb to it. Mechanical systems are not "fun" and most gamblers are not in it for the money, but for the "fun." Dont worry about helping others, just keep doing what you do. The ones that want to make money will pay attention.

Noreaga said:

maybe,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they want to play their OWN plays,,,,,,,,,
and,,,,,,,,,,,,,rather lose,,,,,,,,,their own money with their own,,,,,,,plays and not take someone elses,,,,,,,,,,plays and lose.

what ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,about that

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LOL,,,,,,,,,,,,, Nor,,,,,,,,,,,,,,funny





but seriously tate...when you hit a losing streak...TAKE A STEP BACK and and a BREAK for a few days...works WONDER...that is the key it is so hard for people to simply take a break when they are on a losing streak as they want to chase and get further in the hole

If you are following a system that works, I would say DO NOT TAKE A BREAK. Each play, over the long haul, has a positive expectancy. If you take a break and side step an apology, you will only torture yourself. Taking a break is gambling. As long as you haven't been risking too much of your bankroll on a single play, you are gambling if you take a break. Just don't change your wager amount because you are "due". You aren't due. You're never due.

If you are handicapping each game and making judgements, a break is probably not a bad idea. I have no experience with judgement call handicapping methods.

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Books Worst Enemy

Majority of gamblers are egotistical maniacs that know it all and put their money where their mouth is with a bet, you can't teach them nothing.

Books Worst Enemy said:

If you are following a system that works, I would say DO NOT TAKE A BREAK. Each play, over the long haul, has a positive expectancy. If you take a break and side step an apology, you will only torture yourself. Taking a break is gambling. As long as you haven't been risking too much of your bankroll on a single play, you are gambling if you take a break. Just don't change your wager amount because you are "due". You aren't due. You're never due.

If you are handicapping each game and making judgements, a break is probably not a bad idea. I have no experience with judgement call handicapping methods.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

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Great post!