A Solution to Withdrawal Process (Protecting the Book)

Whoson1st · Apr 27, 2005

I think the best approach for the books for payouts--regardless of Neteller or E-check or Courier Pigeon for that matter; would be this.

ALLOW NO WITHDRAWAL UNTIL THE 60DAY LIMIT HAS CLEARED FOR CHARGEBACKS WITH E-CHECKS AND FOR OTHER METHODS WHATEVER THE TIME LIMIT MAY BE FOR CHARGEBACKS (I'm sure there is a time frame; probably the same 60 days).

This will protect the book from the aholes out there and let the player know about the requirement when depositing.

I think this would really clear the air for all.

LarryTalbot · Apr 27, 2005

i think you need to be slapped; the books have enough advantages over us, why make withdrawals another one for them.

aceduecetrey · Apr 27, 2005

That would not eliminate all of the problem. You would still be able to chargeback if you lost.

Whoson1st · Apr 27, 2005

I don't want to hear about some requirement of having to fax a driver's liscence to a book when/If i want a payout. Their reason--which I can certaintly understand is a "chargeback". Or in other words the player is a crook. This would END that!

Whoson1st · Apr 27, 2005

aceduecetrey said:
That would not eliminate all of the problem. You would still be able to chargeback if you lost.

Explain---Everything has SOME type of time limit.

aceduecetrey · Apr 27, 2005

Whoson1st said:
Explain---Everything has SOME type of time limit.

Example.......

I send 1000 to Pinny and 1000 to Holly.....

I lose at pinny and just carge back.

I win at Holly.

This use to happen alot, I dont know if it is still as big a problem or not.

Same thing as people funding accts via WU late on Saturday night, when it can not be picked up, then if they lose they cancel the WU.

nimue77 · Apr 27, 2005

Just use neteller or one of the other online payment providers!

Whoson1st · Apr 27, 2005

aceduecetrey said:
Example.......

I send 1000 to Pinny and 1000 to Holly.....

I lose at pinny and just carge back.

I win at Holly.

This use to happen alot, I dont know if it is still as big a problem or not.

Same thing as people funding accts via WU late on Saturday night, when it can not be picked up, then if they lose they cancel the WU.

The 60 day rule before ANY withdrawal would cure the chargeback problem. My understanding is you can not charge back (dispute) to a credit card after 60days. It has also been stated in some thread that ACH withdrawals also have a 60 day time frame for dispute ("chargeback").
60 days-!!!!!!!!! What part of that is unclear.
The day I have to send a copy of my drivers liscense out of the US--is the day--I'm through playing. Simple for me----UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!

aceduecetrey · Apr 27, 2005

Whoson1st said:
The 60 day rule before ANY withdrawal would cure the chargeback problem. My understanding is you can not charge back (dispute) to a credit card after 60days. It has also been stated in some thread that ACH withdrawals also have a 60 day time frame for dispute ("chargeback").
60 days-!!!!!!!!! What part of that is unclear.
The day I have to send a copy of my drivers liscense out of the US--is the day--I'm through playing. Simple for me----UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!

It would not fix the problem that I used in my example, because you only charge back to the book that you lost to. If you have to wait 60 days at the other book, so be it. The only wau to really solve it would be to wait 60 days before allowing the customer to place a bet. We all know that is never going to happen.

Whoson1st · Apr 27, 2005

aceduecetrey said:
It would not fix the problem that I used in my example, because you only charge back to the book that you lost to. If you have to wait 60 days at the other book, so be it. The only wau to really solve it would be to wait 60 days before allowing the customer to place a bet. We all know that is never going to happen.

You are correct. I wasn't thinking. I guess it takes a crook to catch a crook. Not saying that at all about you ace. You have good posts and sound reasoning.

I don't blame the books at all for wanting protection from the fraud artists; but I think asking for a driver's liscense from a LONG TIME PLAYER (several years) is crossing the line for me anyway. I did appreciate Steve's response--that he was referring to Credit card---so until further review---Whatson2nd.
As You were men!

aceduecetrey · Apr 27, 2005

Whoson1st said:
You are correct. I wasn't thinking. I guess it takes a crook to catch a crook. Not saying that at all about you ace. You have good posts and sound reasoning.

I don't blame the books at all for wanting protection from the fraud artists; but I think asking for a driver's liscense from a LONG TIME PLAYER (several years) is crossing the line for me anyway. I did appreciate Steve's response--that he was referring to Credit card---so until further review---Whatson2nd.
As You were men!

I agree and I refuse to submit ID. If someone chooses to use a credit card, I think the book has every right to request ID, but not in any other instance.

dimeplayersonly · Apr 27, 2005

i think you need to be slapped; the books have enough advantages over us, why make withdrawals another one for them.

LOL...........

whoson1st....................props to you for trying though....

Fishhead · Apr 28, 2005

Any more thoughts on this subject?

-F-

Whoson1st · Apr 28, 2005

It would take a MONSTER EFFORT. But if all the books would cooperate to set up a national player database that they ALL could check to see if player A has done a chargeback--that would help. (each player could be assigned a number code to simplify the process--would take awhile.

billnevin · Apr 28, 2005

Books really have no choice about this but take the maximum security they can to ensure that the person they are sending $s to is not going to get paid twice by chargeing back. It would be nice to think the world is full of honorable people who never do anything underhand but the books learn pretty quickly that it's not like that (usually after losing several hundreds of thousands of dollars).

Unfortunately most of the fraudsters (as opposed to college kids who get drunk and forget they have played blackjack for 6 hours) talk to each other and if a site gets a reputation for being soft then they will be closed down by chargeback pretty quickly.

The honest players benefits from the security checks because it means the sportsbook survives and you get paid when you have a winner. It's a pain in the ass, I agree, but the price of keeping your sportsbook in business.

And if you think the sportsbook is really going to use your drivers license details, what the hell are you giving them your gambling money for (or your credit card details for that matter)?

SVT_Cobra · Apr 28, 2005

Whoson1st said:
The 60 day rule before ANY withdrawal would cure the chargeback problem. My understanding is you can not charge back (dispute) to a credit card after 60days. It has also been stated in some thread that ACH withdrawals also have a 60 day time frame for dispute ("chargeback").
60 days-!!!!!!!!! What part of that is unclear.
The day I have to send a copy of my drivers liscense out of the US--is the day--I'm through playing. Simple for me----UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!

The time limit to make a charge back is 6 months. No player is going to wait 6 months.

Also what if they have been making deposits every couple of weeks via credit card?

Neteller or Western Union eliminates these problems. You can use your credit card directly with Western Union.

Whoson1st · Apr 28, 2005

SVT_Cobra said:
The time limit to make a charge back is 6 months. No player is going to wait 6 months.

Also what if they have been making deposits every couple of weeks via credit card?

Neteller or Western Union eliminates these problems. You can use your credit card directly with Western Union.

Six MONTHS for Chargebacks?? What is that about. Someone posted 60 days as the time limit. Where do people get info from? :monsters-

go2guy · Apr 28, 2005

Whoson1st said:
The 60 day rule before ANY withdrawal would cure the chargeback problem. My understanding is you can not charge back (dispute) to a credit card after 60days. It has also been stated in some thread that ACH withdrawals also have a 60 day time frame for dispute ("chargeback").
60 days-!!!!!!!!! What part of that is unclear.
The day I have to send a copy of my drivers liscense out of the US--is the day--I'm through playing. Simple for me----UNCOMFORTABLE!!!!

Not true. An individual can chargeback up to 6 mos.

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