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27-04-2005


Forget those ideas about card sharps and hustlers, a new breed of white-collar gambler is using statistics and the power of the internet to turn a profit. Welcome to gambling as a career option.
By Denise Winterman / BBC News

Despite the stereotypes of smoke-filled betting shops and glitzy Mayfair casinos, gambling is not what it once was.

The abolition of betting tax for punters in 2001 and the growth of internet gambling have revolutionised the industry and opened the door to a new breed of gambler, who is choosing it as a career.

Matthew Benham, managing director of Smartodds, had placed just a handful of bets in his life before he became a professional gambler last year. He was a City trader for eight years before setting up his company, which bets exclusively on football.

Suspicion

The 36-year-old employs 13 full-time staff, mainly made up of mathematicians and statisticians. He also has 25 part-time employees around the world who collate data on their country's league. Once the analysis is done, he and just one other colleague decide what bets to place.

"After leaving my job I was looking for something new," he says. "I have always been into football and I noticed betting on games was really taking off. A lot of what I did in the City feeds into what I do now. I use the spreadsheets and financial models I did as a trader to assess odds.

"Five years ago professional gambling was hard work, but times have changed. With the internet it is much easier, from getting all the data to analyse a bet to placing it.

"I know more and more people who are taking it up full time and it is becoming a legitimate career choice. Some people are still suspicious of what I do and expect me to carry round suitcases full of cash."

Benham says it is his unemotional attitude towards gambling that makes him successful - he makes a profit, although declines to say how much.

"I never bet for fun, it is purely a job," he says. "You have to be unemotional because if you do it for the thrill you might not make sensible decisions."

There are no figures for how many people gamble professionally, but the money staked in all gambling style activities rose to £63.8bn in 2002-03, according to the government.

Dangerous passion

Politics graduate Paul Motty, 32, worked in the betting industry after school but left in 1997 to go to university because there were few prospects and full-time punting was too difficult. But after the explosion of internet betting sites he became a full-time gambler last year.

"The internet has changed the whole industry," he says. "The key to being a good gambler is research. It used to take days hunched over the papers to research a bet, now it takes minutes.

"Gambling is losing its seedy image. It is a massive global industry and doing it professionally is now a viable career. Effectively, it is just stock broking."

He knows more and more people who are taking it up professionally and they are mainly young.

"Younger people are computer literate and use internet sites. For us gambling doesn't have the same stigma, it is a job and we set ourselves strict limits," he says.

Experts agree changes in the industry have made it more feasible to turn a punt into profit - but say it is not an easy way to make money.

"There has always been scope for smart people, with sufficient time to invest, to make it a full-time job of gambling," said Dr David Forrest, reader in economics at the Centre for Gambling at the University of Salford.

"But until recently winning didn't always convert into high returns because the taxman and bookmaker took a cut. Now it is more feasible that your time will deliver a positive financial outcome."

The university runs a degree in business and gambling studies and for the first time last year a student left to become a professional gambler after graduating.

Dedication

"You have to be very dedicated - it is not an easy job," says Dr Forrest. "That's the mistake some people make."

Gordon House knows just how many people can't cope. The UK's only charity offering residential treatment programmes for gambling addicts, it has seen a huge increase in inquiries in recent years and places are massively oversubscribed.

Managing director Faith Freestone says there is a potential risk for anyone who gambles. "Professional gamblers talk about being in control but the problems start when gambling controls you," she says.

Despite his success Motty says he would not advise anyone to take it up.

"You have to take the emotion and passion out of it to be a good gambler and a lot of people just aren't able to do that."


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Dante, "The 9-5 poster"

What a job man. You may have one of the best in the world buddy.

:lolBIG:
 

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The General said:
Dante, "The 9-5 poster"

What a job man. You may have one of the best in the world buddy.

:lolBIG:

Me???? HAHAHAHAAH General you are the reason for this thread Sir have a drink and congrats :drink:
 

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With the internet and especially exchange betting,Touts have a whole new feeding ground for mugs. As usual, there is promises of easy money and the quote " I used to be a City Trader" and " I use the same strategies" attract the punters like moths to a light.

The truth is in reality, these so-called shrewdies from the trading floor are getting turned over more than anyone. This is because not only do they think betting markets and stock markets are the same, they have the arrogance to think they are superior to the old school, hardened betting gambler.

There is no easy money to be made in gambling and these jokers are no different to any other touts.
 

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For every successful pro gambler, I would guess at least 50 give it a go and then are out of it within a couple of years. Not all lose money, its just they finally get it in their heads that applying similar time, discipline, and effort to other ventures would pay them more. Winning at gambling isn't as hard as some would lead you to believe, but winning enough to make it your main source of income AND the most optimal activity to make that living is rarely the case. Lots of pros diversify into other things and just do it as a second income, much as I did years ago.

This is the sort of thing that is always missing in these sorts of stories. Poker has it even worse. Guys there struggle to make $10/hour for years, thinking a turn of luck or just improving their game a bit will get them to the promised land, but it just never happens.
 

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It's going to be a long grind. There are no free lunches. You have to put in the time and work if you want to hang in there.
 

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SVT, I hear you know alot about "free" lunches, maybe you should have saved a few for your wife and 3 kids you left without any food or money when you fled the D.R. a real stand-up guy you are.:finger:
 

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SVT, I hear you know alot about "free" lunches, maybe you should have saved a few for your wife and 3 kids you left without any food or money when you fled the D.R. a real stand-up guy you are.:finger:
now that was below the belt lol. Gambler1 shoots and he :BASCKET:
 

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