They are a great move/addition for baseball! They have been beating expectations but I think they will be one of those teams that will be very hard to get a finger on. You bet them...they will lose. You bet against them...they win. I, for the most part, will try to avoid them this year. tulsa
These are the expos as stated above. And for that fact they are doing pretty much the same thing with the same type of players as in previous years. Wondering if any moves will be made by major league baseball , as far as player deletions. For sure they won't be adding components.
By the way RFK is a hell hole for baseball. The field is terrible , there are many blind spots in day games with glare, and the field crew is inexperienced when it comes to grounds keeping. The Mets are protesting the Sat game they lost due to field conditions. They may actually win because players & management from the Nats have admitted conditions were horrible.
Their field crew turns the tarp the wrong direction when trying to remove water & actually dump water back onto the field... Dooohhhhhh!
By the way RFK is a hell hole for baseball. The field is terrible , there are many blind spots in day games with glare, and the field crew is inexperienced when it comes to grounds keeping. The Mets are protesting the Sat game they lost due to field conditions. They may actually win because players & management from the Nats have admitted conditions were horrible.
Their field crew turns the tarp the wrong direction when trying to remove water & actually dump water back onto the field... Dooohhhhhh!
Honestly, I don't think any more about them than the Expos. They are rarely on the MLB package. They went from underrated to overrated with all the East Coast-hype. They have played pretty good the first month of the year the last few years. Until they get real ownership in there who wants to spend money, nothing will change.
booze said:
Eff that. No respect for the Marlins. They've only won 2 World Series in a 6 year span. Best pitching by far in baseball. Solid balance on offense with power and speed to go with it, and invaluable postseason experience. I guess the Phillies or Mets are his projected 1st place squad as it can't be the Braves struggling to score 2 runs a game. :ughhh:
Boxslayer32 said:
:lolBIG: Best pitching by far in baseball Give me a break!!!! What has Josh Beckett done since the World Series besides being a .500 pitcher. AJ Burnett has been nothing more than hype. He will be the next overpaid Yankee.
Hudson
Smoltz
Hampton
Does Flordia have anything to match that? I think not.
Willis, Beckett, and Burnett have been great thus far. I wouldn't say they're better than the Braves' staff, but they've been equally as good up to this point. Willis has pitched better than anyone. The player to watch is Horacio Ramirez. If he pitches like he's capable, the Braves staff will be far and away the best in the bigs. Thomson has also underachieved. He can turn it around, though.
Chop-
You're flat wrong. You'll wax the floor on me in capping baseball, but I promise I know far more about the intricacies of the game than probably anyone on this site.
Beckett
Burnett
Willis
are better than
Smoltz
Hudson
Hampton.
Hands down.
4 reasons:
STUFF
PERFORMANCE
SEALING THE DEAL
AGE
Smoltz might have the best stuff in baseball. He's flat out filthy. I used to love turning the TV on in the 9th in Braves games just to watch him pitch. It was almost unfair. But he's either on, or rapidly approaching the downside of his career. Hudson is solid. The thing with Hudson, is he's in his prime, this is as good as it's gonna get for him. He's not much of a strikeout pitcher, and he relies on some good defense. Which is very good but he's not dominant. Hampton doesn't belong in the same sentence. He's a very, very average pitcher overall, but he's a lefty who throws strikes, so he gets outs. He's still living off of his one good year, and he's been mediocre ever since. Started the year off good, but don't be so short sighted. Long way to go, and he will not keep it up over the full season as evidenced by tonight.
Burnett is one of the nastiest pitchers in baseball. He's hyped for a reason. Opposing hitters say he's the nastiest pitcher in the game after facing him for a reason. His fastball is electrifying with unbelievable movement, his slider is a plus plus pitch. He tries to overthrow and blow pitches by people, now he's learning how to PITCH and back off some. He's only getting better.
Beckett has shown he can not only hang with the best in the playoffs, but dominate. He has all the intangibles has great stuff, not as good as Burnett's though few do, and is a bit more polished than Burnett. Um, oh yeah, he's still learning too. You havn't heard much about him since the WS because him and Burnett have been injured. They were both injured with arm injuries, but their other injuries have been tough luck broken thumbs from line drives or what not. Their health isn't that serious of a concern. But Beckett was in the WORLD SERIES and was the MVP of the World Series and sealed the deal, which we all know the Braves are the Buffalo Bills of baseball.
Performance-wise, Dontrelle Willis is the best pitcher in the game right now.
They're all younger than the Braves staff, and they are all getting better and learning. They are all much more highly touted, projectable, and nastier than their counterparts were at the same age. And their outperforming them NOW. I promise you if you ask any general manager in baseball would you rather have the Marlins staff (or the Marlins top 3) or the Braves who do you want? I don't think you can find 2 GM's who say ATL.
You obviously don't go much by how good a pitcher's actual PITCHES are. You are more of a "what have you done for me lately", "what you see is what you get" kind of guy. You want results. That's fine, too. Because not only are they hyped for a reason, their stuff is better etc, but they are actually proving it now. Marlins ERA is by far and away the best in MLB. Don't know how else to say it, but not only is the Marlins staff better than Atlanta's, but Atlanta's doesn't deserve to be named into 2nd place. That's just cutting some other staffs short.
Braves starting rotation as a whole isn't as good as you think. Braves have a good rotation, but it isn't exceptional like the Marlins which is why the Braves had to move Smoltz back into the rotation. If you would have come to me and tried to argue another teams rotation, I would have given you more credibility. But to come with Mike Hampton? Please. This just shows this thread is about the Braves for you.
I don't know who's going to win the NL East, it looks like it's going to be a dog fight. But to simply write the Marlins off as 2nd place, and gift wrap it for the Braves, considering the way the Marlins are pitching and how anemic Atlanta's offense has been is just plain foolish. If anyone is the favorite to win the east right now, it's the Marlins. The Mets are starting to show some signs and the Nationals and Phillies are no slouches.
I'm going to bed if you wish to respond, I'll see it tomorrow as I'm going to bed. I look forward to your picks tomorrow.
Later.
You're flat wrong. You'll wax the floor on me in capping baseball, but I promise I know far more about the intricacies of the game than probably anyone on this site.
Beckett
Burnett
Willis
are better than
Smoltz
Hudson
Hampton.
Hands down.
4 reasons:
STUFF
PERFORMANCE
SEALING THE DEAL
AGE
Smoltz might have the best stuff in baseball. He's flat out filthy. I used to love turning the TV on in the 9th in Braves games just to watch him pitch. It was almost unfair. But he's either on, or rapidly approaching the downside of his career. Hudson is solid. The thing with Hudson, is he's in his prime, this is as good as it's gonna get for him. He's not much of a strikeout pitcher, and he relies on some good defense. Which is very good but he's not dominant. Hampton doesn't belong in the same sentence. He's a very, very average pitcher overall, but he's a lefty who throws strikes, so he gets outs. He's still living off of his one good year, and he's been mediocre ever since. Started the year off good, but don't be so short sighted. Long way to go, and he will not keep it up over the full season as evidenced by tonight.
Burnett is one of the nastiest pitchers in baseball. He's hyped for a reason. Opposing hitters say he's the nastiest pitcher in the game after facing him for a reason. His fastball is electrifying with unbelievable movement, his slider is a plus plus pitch. He tries to overthrow and blow pitches by people, now he's learning how to PITCH and back off some. He's only getting better.
Beckett has shown he can not only hang with the best in the playoffs, but dominate. He has all the intangibles has great stuff, not as good as Burnett's though few do, and is a bit more polished than Burnett. Um, oh yeah, he's still learning too. You havn't heard much about him since the WS because him and Burnett have been injured. They were both injured with arm injuries, but their other injuries have been tough luck broken thumbs from line drives or what not. Their health isn't that serious of a concern. But Beckett was in the WORLD SERIES and was the MVP of the World Series and sealed the deal, which we all know the Braves are the Buffalo Bills of baseball.
Performance-wise, Dontrelle Willis is the best pitcher in the game right now.
They're all younger than the Braves staff, and they are all getting better and learning. They are all much more highly touted, projectable, and nastier than their counterparts were at the same age. And their outperforming them NOW. I promise you if you ask any general manager in baseball would you rather have the Marlins staff (or the Marlins top 3) or the Braves who do you want? I don't think you can find 2 GM's who say ATL.
You obviously don't go much by how good a pitcher's actual PITCHES are. You are more of a "what have you done for me lately", "what you see is what you get" kind of guy. You want results. That's fine, too. Because not only are they hyped for a reason, their stuff is better etc, but they are actually proving it now. Marlins ERA is by far and away the best in MLB. Don't know how else to say it, but not only is the Marlins staff better than Atlanta's, but Atlanta's doesn't deserve to be named into 2nd place. That's just cutting some other staffs short.
Braves starting rotation as a whole isn't as good as you think. Braves have a good rotation, but it isn't exceptional like the Marlins which is why the Braves had to move Smoltz back into the rotation. If you would have come to me and tried to argue another teams rotation, I would have given you more credibility. But to come with Mike Hampton? Please. This just shows this thread is about the Braves for you.
I don't know who's going to win the NL East, it looks like it's going to be a dog fight. But to simply write the Marlins off as 2nd place, and gift wrap it for the Braves, considering the way the Marlins are pitching and how anemic Atlanta's offense has been is just plain foolish. If anyone is the favorite to win the east right now, it's the Marlins. The Mets are starting to show some signs and the Nationals and Phillies are no slouches.
I'm going to bed if you wish to respond, I'll see it tomorrow as I'm going to bed. I look forward to your picks tomorrow.
Later.
Boxslayer32
Well thought out comments. I agree with some of it, and disagree with some it. Im running short on time. I will comment fully on this thread tommorow or the next day. Stay tuned.
Atlanta Braves 13 consecutive division titles and counting.....:lolBIG:
Well thought out comments. I agree with some of it, and disagree with some it. Im running short on time. I will comment fully on this thread tommorow or the next day. Stay tuned.
Atlanta Braves 13 consecutive division titles and counting.....:lolBIG:
Two years from now unless the Braves make some major offseason moves this division will be owned by the Flordia Marlins.But that was not the Question. This thread was about THIS SEASON It really does not matter how much Smoltz, Hudson, or Hampton has left in the tank, as long as they can go this season.
The Marlins have a tremendous future ahead of them, as long as the ownership is commited to winning. Im already hearing wispers of Burnett being the next to wear the pinstripes. The rest of the post I will responed to comments youve made on your post:
"The thing with Hudson, is he's in his prime, this is as good as it's gonna get for him"
I will settle for the higest winning % In the history of baseball after first 100 decisions. Honestly, please dont tell me you would rather Beckett, no matter what his potential.
Hampton doesn't belong in the same sentence. He's a very, very average pitcher
Very commical. You better do your research my friend. Since the allstar break last season, I believe Hampton is 15-2 with a sub 3.00. Is that what you call a very very average pitcher? Hamptons pure # are better than any pitcher on the Marlins roster, including The D-Train. So I think you can go ahead and keep him in the same sentence.:lolBIG:
You obviously don't go much by how good a pitcher's actual PITCHES are. You are more of a "what have you done for me lately", "what you see is what you get" kind of guy. You want results.
I would say you pretty much nailed that on the head. Yes I do want results. If sports was about talent,and talent alone, there would not be any bust. How many cant miss pitchers have you seen in your life that Missed. I can think of many. Billy Koch. 100 MPH fastball, cant get anyone out, but he will always find a job, because he can hit 100 on the radar gun.
Don't know how else to say it, but not only is the Marlins staff better than Atlanta's, but Atlanta's doesn't deserve to be named into 2nd place. That's just cutting some other staffs short.
:lolBIG:
I don't know who's going to win the NL East, it looks like it's going to be a dog fight. But to simply write the Marlins off as 2nd place, and gift wrap it for the Braves, considering the way the Marlins are pitching and how anemic Atlanta's offense has been is just plain foolish. If anyone is the favorite to win the east right now, it's the Marlins. The Mets are starting to show some signs and the Nationals and Phillies are no slouches.
I will go ahead and agree with that, except for the fact that you said the Marlins should be favored above anyone else.
The Braves run of championships is comming to a close in the next 2 to 3 years. Both the Braves and Marlins have issues that they need to deal with for sure. But for year 2005 The braves are the favorite. I have been hearing people for about the last 5 seasons saying this is the year the Braves lose the division.
Beckett Smoltz
Willis Hudson
Burnett Hampton
I absolutly promise you. With next year not being in issue. If you asked 30 GM in MLB witch 3 would you prefer for this year, and this year only with no regard to the future. At least 25 GMs if not more would take the Braves combination.
Do not expect you to agree with me. Good luck. Hope the Marlins win the WCard!!!
The Marlins have a tremendous future ahead of them, as long as the ownership is commited to winning. Im already hearing wispers of Burnett being the next to wear the pinstripes. The rest of the post I will responed to comments youve made on your post:
"The thing with Hudson, is he's in his prime, this is as good as it's gonna get for him"
I will settle for the higest winning % In the history of baseball after first 100 decisions. Honestly, please dont tell me you would rather Beckett, no matter what his potential.
Hampton doesn't belong in the same sentence. He's a very, very average pitcher
Very commical. You better do your research my friend. Since the allstar break last season, I believe Hampton is 15-2 with a sub 3.00. Is that what you call a very very average pitcher? Hamptons pure # are better than any pitcher on the Marlins roster, including The D-Train. So I think you can go ahead and keep him in the same sentence.:lolBIG:
You obviously don't go much by how good a pitcher's actual PITCHES are. You are more of a "what have you done for me lately", "what you see is what you get" kind of guy. You want results.
I would say you pretty much nailed that on the head. Yes I do want results. If sports was about talent,and talent alone, there would not be any bust. How many cant miss pitchers have you seen in your life that Missed. I can think of many. Billy Koch. 100 MPH fastball, cant get anyone out, but he will always find a job, because he can hit 100 on the radar gun.
Don't know how else to say it, but not only is the Marlins staff better than Atlanta's, but Atlanta's doesn't deserve to be named into 2nd place. That's just cutting some other staffs short.
:lolBIG:
I don't know who's going to win the NL East, it looks like it's going to be a dog fight. But to simply write the Marlins off as 2nd place, and gift wrap it for the Braves, considering the way the Marlins are pitching and how anemic Atlanta's offense has been is just plain foolish. If anyone is the favorite to win the east right now, it's the Marlins. The Mets are starting to show some signs and the Nationals and Phillies are no slouches.
I will go ahead and agree with that, except for the fact that you said the Marlins should be favored above anyone else.
The Braves run of championships is comming to a close in the next 2 to 3 years. Both the Braves and Marlins have issues that they need to deal with for sure. But for year 2005 The braves are the favorite. I have been hearing people for about the last 5 seasons saying this is the year the Braves lose the division.
Beckett Smoltz
Willis Hudson
Burnett Hampton
I absolutly promise you. With next year not being in issue. If you asked 30 GM in MLB witch 3 would you prefer for this year, and this year only with no regard to the future. At least 25 GMs if not more would take the Braves combination.
Do not expect you to agree with me. Good luck. Hope the Marlins win the WCard!!!
Boxslayer32
Like I have said before, you are one of my favorite posters. I love people who speak there mind. I picture you to be the type of person who does not get offended just because someone does not agree with you. Thats the way I am. Lets have a great race for that division title!! If my Braves dont win the division, and its the Marlins turn, I will be pulling for you guys.
Like I have said before, you are one of my favorite posters. I love people who speak there mind. I picture you to be the type of person who does not get offended just because someone does not agree with you. Thats the way I am. Lets have a great race for that division title!! If my Braves dont win the division, and its the Marlins turn, I will be pulling for you guys.
Choptalk and Boxslayer,
You are both wrong. I cannot elaborate, but I have been inside an 'organization' for several years now. I may have already said too much. But, take this to the bank: Milwaukee will win the National League East. You might even be able to find some proposition/futures on that. Again, I might have said too much.
Isn't baseball great!!! I love a sport that plays nearly every day, plays so many darn games and has so much statistical info AND AND AND think about it guys...where every day a very nearly wholly different team takes the field and vast swings in results occur because of one guy pitching or a couple of guys relieving or closing!!! I LOVE IT!! By the way, has anyone noticed the streak Milwaukee is on right now....bound to take the East. No doubt about it. tulsa
You are both wrong. I cannot elaborate, but I have been inside an 'organization' for several years now. I may have already said too much. But, take this to the bank: Milwaukee will win the National League East. You might even be able to find some proposition/futures on that. Again, I might have said too much.
Isn't baseball great!!! I love a sport that plays nearly every day, plays so many darn games and has so much statistical info AND AND AND think about it guys...where every day a very nearly wholly different team takes the field and vast swings in results occur because of one guy pitching or a couple of guys relieving or closing!!! I LOVE IT!! By the way, has anyone noticed the streak Milwaukee is on right now....bound to take the East. No doubt about it. tulsa
