SHRINK, who the fux do these surgeons think they are?

TheGeneral+ · May 12, 2005

Person has 2 ruptured discs in back, but doc basically say if you won't allow me to operate, then I cannot help you with Pain mgmt. :icon_conf

They try and force patients into surgery and we all know it's a 50/50 proposition.

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B u l l s h i t

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ASIInc. · May 12, 2005

Call the chief of staff for the hospital. Refusing to treat a patient is illegal . If that doesnt work let me know. I have a friend that writes for the USA Today and sometimes for TIME magazine.

He would love to get a hold of this story.

TheGeneral+ · May 12, 2005

arty:

But then again the surgeon is not refusing treatment all together, he just says either you have surgery or you don't get help for the pain. How can they force a person into a surgery if they do not want it? They are thieving because they want the fee for surgery which around here is about 6k just for the surgeon alone, not including the hospital Bill.

JohnnyDeMarco · May 12, 2005

So Many People Want Pain Pills Docs Are Under Pressure To Treat The Pain Not The Symptom

Fishhead · May 12, 2005

Accupucture and natural healing should be first option.

Half the doctors in America are quacks.

-F-

t3a · May 12, 2005

I have had great success with chiropractors for back and neck problems where my 'regular' doctors wanted to cut me open again. If a disc is ruptured though, not sure if you can heal it without getting in there and fusing it

scott · May 13, 2005

My wife had disk surgery at UCLA. Although they use a new, less invasive procedure (developed at UCLA) they used surgery as the last resort. They told us up front they would try other methods first and surgery is the last option. I guess it's the difference in hospitals/doctors.

Scotty

TheGeneral+ · May 13, 2005

A ruptured disc has about a 1% chance of fully healing naturally I am told.

bigboydan · May 13, 2005

you have to be so careful when it comes to back surgery though. because, these doctors can operate on the wrong level. or, even cut a nerve root that will leave you with something called RSD or paralized.

dougstewart · May 13, 2005

The General said:
Person has 2 ruptured discs in back, but doc basically say if you won't allow me to operate, then I cannot help you with Pain mgmt.

They try and force patients into surgery and we all know it's a 50/50 proposition.

:finger: :finger: :finger: :finger: :finger:

B u l l s h i t

General,
Surgeons operate. If you don't want or need surgery, don't go to a surgeon! Surgeons routinely send patients back to their primary care physicians for pain management. The surgeon is not trying to force any patient into having any surgery that they don't want or need. On the other hand, there are literally millions of patients out there trying to force their doctors into prescribing narcotic pain medications for them. These patients don't want to try physical therapy, accupuncture, or chiropractic care....they want narcotics!

TheGeneral+ · May 13, 2005

Doug, if a surgeon has made it clear that your only option for "a possible fix" is surgery, then you have 2 options. Narcotics for pain or surgery. That decision should be left up to the patient for better or worse. If a surgeon doesn't want to supply narcotics for PM, then atleast speak up and say so, maybe referring you back to a family doc or a pain mgmt center. It is truly hard to find doctors who really show genuine care/concern for people from my experiences. And if you find one that does, keep him/her. They are far and few inbetween. For christ sakes, atleast ACT like you give a chit and not like we are wasting their time. We are paying $350± per hour.

TheGeneral+ · May 13, 2005

bigboydan said:
you have to be so careful when it comes to back surgery though. because, these doctors can operate on the wrong level. or, even cut a nerve root that will leave you with something called RSD or paralized.

Ya, From my talks with others who have had back surgery, it is truly a 50/50 chance. Maybe even 40/60.

dougstewart · May 13, 2005

General,
I think we're in agreement; I would be very reluctant to have back surgery myself.
It's your title of this thread that I disagreed with, ie. surgeons think they are surgeons, and if you're not interested in having surgery, you really are wasting your and their time. Don't try to make them something they're not, most of them are not Marcus Welby types with good bedside manners, and you really shouldn't expect them to provide pain management treatment in lieu of surgery. Surgeons routinely refer patients back to their primary care specialists for pain management care, and surgery should only be considered as a last resort.
You've heard about getting a second opinion before having surgery? Well I recommend a third and a fourth too. There are all kinds of pain management modalities used to treat back pain without surgery; in addition to the physical therapy, accupuncture, and chiropractic care already mentioned, one of the most successful involves anesthesiologist doctors injecting steroids and long term anesthetic agents into the spine.
Good luck getting treatment for your back problem, but don't blame the lion (surgeon) for being a lion (surgeon).

TheGeneral+ · May 13, 2005

We are in agreement Doug.

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