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Yes they have a great record but how many more mistakes can Eckstein make for this team? It's ok now but if he doesn't get clean it up it's gonna cost them bigtime when it does matter.
 

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i say with 100% ......absolutely NONE!!! By him turning down 38 million...Cards got Eckstein who has been great leadoff hitter, grudzy at 2nd who is 7th or 8th in the league in hitting...and a #1 pitcher in Mulder who has 7 wins. So without hesitation, Cardinals do not miss Renteria.
 

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Eckstein's fielding may wind up costing them. His arm isn't all that great either.
 

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I didn't think his arm was great either but arm strength hasn't been a probably all season...actually is stronger than i thought. I believe him and renteria have same number of errors right now. Eckstein had best fielding percentage in the league last year. Eckstein will and has cost them a couple games already but hardly anything to concern me
 

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wow...anyone else see his catch last night??

As productive as his middle-infield mate was at the plate, Eckstein was in the field - with dash and a dazzle that left La Russa praising it as one of the greatest catches by a shortstop in Cardinals history. In the third, Eckstein raced deep into foul territory in left field, tracking a pop-up from Brad Hawpe. Sliding into the dirt track, Eckstein backhanded the catch to end the inning.

La Russa called him into his office after the game to offer him today off, as a reward. And he told him his play in foul territory ranks up there with a diving-away-from-the-plate catch in left field by Smith.

"That's the greatest catch by a shortstop in Cardinals history. This has got to be the second greatest," La Russa said. "So great. In the Ozzie Smith category. What a game."
 

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viking611 said:
I didn't think his arm was great either but arm strength hasn't been a probably all season...actually is stronger than i thought. I believe him and renteria have same number of errors right now. Eckstein had best fielding percentage in the league last year. Eckstein will and has cost them a couple games already but hardly anything to concern me

Keep in mind, you don't get errors for balls that don't get to first in time due to poor arm strenthg, and also having the same number of errors isn't good when Renteria gets to more balls.
 

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I watch every game...his arm strength is not a problem at all. :103631605
 

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he doesn't appear to be the best SS in baseball like many claimed.....
 

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I have seen his arm many many times and you are lying to yourself if you honestly believe that. What you might mean, is that it hasn't cost them yet which I cannot comment on really as I haven't watched more than a dozen cardinal games.
 

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he doesn't appear to be the best SS in baseball like many claimed.....

I agree. I have watched about 15 Cards games and it seems any ball hit to him where he has time to think about the throw or play has turned into disaster several times. His arm hasn't looked all that great to me either. Watch how he needs an extra second to put something on his throws. But that was one helluva catch last night.
 

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I have seen his arm many many times and you are lying to yourself if you honestly believe that. What you might mean, is that it hasn't cost them yet which I cannot comment on really as I haven't watched more than a dozen cardinal games.

100% agree with that.
 

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royalfan said:
I have seen his arm many many times and you are lying to yourself if you honestly believe that. What you might mean, is that it hasn't cost them yet which I cannot comment on really as I haven't watched more than a dozen cardinal games.

what i mean is exactly what i said, that his arm is not a problem one bit and will not cost them any games either...never cost the angels as well. I'm actually quite suprised by his arm strength...everybody wants to say he bounces every ball to 1st base ...i have been disappointed with his errors but definitely not his arm strength.
 

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what i mean is exactly what i said, that his arm is not a problem one bit and will not cost them any games either...never cost the angels as well. I'm actually quite suprised by his arm strength...everybody wants to say he bounces every ball to 1st base ...i have been disappointed with his errors but definitely not his arm strength.

That is fine,think what you want, just proves you are not a very good talent evaluator.
 

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what i mean is exactly what i said, that his arm is not a problem one bit and will not cost them any games either...never cost the angels as well. I'm actually quite suprised by his arm strength...everybody wants to say he bounces every ball to 1st base ...i have been disappointed with his errors but definitely not his arm strength.

Have you ever once thought for a second, that the reason he makes errors is because he has to rush things to compensate for his arm? He can catch the ball just fine. The arm is what causes all his problems.
 

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I guess Ecksteins career fielding percentage of .978 which matches ozzie smith's means nothing too. You're a dipsh*t.
 

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Again the fielding percentage is vastly overrated. Eckstein doesn't play near as many balls as the Wizard of Oz. Name one shortstop in the majors that Eckstein has a better arm than.

Yeah, that is what I thought.
 

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He gets the most out of his abilities, but he has a weak arm.
 

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Again the fielding percentage is vastly overrated. Eckstein doesn't play near as many balls as the Wizard of Oz. Name one shortstop in the majors that Eckstein has a better arm than.

Yeah, that is what I thought.


Who cares? He's a major league shortstop playing for best team in the NL and getting the job done which he has his entire career. Get a clue! Obviously your 2 years of little league haven't taught you too much about the game of baseball. I'll take him anyday at short over all SS in the national league minus Furcal and Vizquel.
 

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