BEST OF ALL TIME : Moses' Fo Fo Fo Team of 1983!

CAPNCRUNCH · Jun 15, 2005

This team had it all in my opinion, Doc received most of the accolades,but Moses did the heavy lifting, so to speak! Some of the Celtic teams and Laker teams came close but '83 76ers were the best! :dancefool

WildBill · Jun 15, 2005

First Spurs title team was up there. Young Duncan, but Admiral was still a force and Sean Elliot was a great weapon before his career was sadly ended. If Elliot didn't get sick the Spurs might have been working on title four or five right now. I don't think the Lakers would have won 3 in a row if they didn't lose him.

Agreed though that Sixers team was awesome. Hard to believe they only got it together like that for just one season. Unsung guys like Toney, Cheeks and Jones great compliment to the two stars.

HacheMan · Jun 15, 2005

Man was Malone a force underneath back then. Those Celtics/76ers battles were even better than the Celtics/Lakers.....

SALTHEITAL · Jun 15, 2005

Yo CAPN ...

CAPN CRUNCH said:
Laker teams came close but '83 76ers were the best!

I agree...this team was my favorite! :103631605

Sal

koidog · Jun 15, 2005

Celtic fan here, but that was a great team. Moses doesn't get enough credit for being one of the all time greats. Mo Cheeks at point, Bobby Jones, who could stop anybody, Andrew Toney on that team? He killed the Celts.

wilheim · Jun 15, 2005

1972 Lakers

Led by Wilt Chamberlain at center and the high-scoring guard tandem of Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, the 1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers set an NBA record by winning 33 consecutive games. Their remarkable run began on Nov. 5 with a 110-106 win over the Baltimore Bullets and did not end until more than two months later, when the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Lakers 120-104 on Jan. 9.

The Lakers won their last 14 games of November, all 16 games during December and their first three games of January to obliterate the previous NBA record of 20 straight wins, set by Milwaukee one year earlier.

The Lakers breezed through the playoffs, sweeping the Chicago Bulls in the first round, beating the Bucks in six games in the conference finals and then defeating the New York Knicks 4-1 in the NBA Finals. It was the team's first NBA championship since the franchise moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and the franchise's first since 1954. Sharman was voted Coach of the Year, Chamberlain was named MVP of the Finals, West was voted to the All-NBA First Team and Chamberlain to the All-Defensive First Team.

wil.

RobFunk · Jun 15, 2005

Wil I dont understand why you keep picking these old teams and players that cant possibly compete with those from another era from a physical standpoint.

what defines great? their record?

The best team is the '96 Bulls. Who cares if they didnt have a legit center, they had Rodman.

phdinsports · Jun 15, 2005

best team of all time Bulls. How can you beat superman batman and rodman? Had best three point shooter in kerr. Easily win 8 straight (in modern nba with no
six foot 8 centers Russell and the Celtics played against) if MJ doesn't retire.

RobFunk · Jun 15, 2005

phdinsports said:
best team of all time Bulls. How can you beat superman batman and rodman? Had best three point shooter in kerr. Easily win 8 straight (in modern nba with no
six foot 8 centers Russell and the Celtics played against) if MJ doesn't retire.

Yes, you are a wise man.

And I could'nt stand them back then either. They were like 20 point chalk every single game. I think they were a dog twice the whole season.

HacheMan · Jun 15, 2005

RobFunk said:
Wil I dont understand why you keep picking these old teams and players that that cant possibly compete with those from another era from a physical standpoint.

what defines great? their record?

The best team is the '96 Bulls. Who cares if they didnt have a legit center, they had Rodman.

Rob, I think Crunch is just talking about in general........

If not, you know I agree with your statement above as I have said many times teams from yesteryear cannot compete with today's era of players......

wilheim · Jun 15, 2005

Same old they cant compete argument, I guess you guys never saw Wilt play. He was better than any center in basketball (including Shaq) who played since he retired. Those Lakers had great size and speed, I won't even get into Jerry West. How many teams today could even think about going an amazing 31-7 on the road, the Lakers' .816 road winning percentage stands as the best in NBA history. The Lakers topped the NBA in scoring (121.0 ppg), rebounding (56.4 rpg), assists (27.2 apg) and point differential (+12.3 ppg).

BTW 1972 is not the same as 1955, in other words the 72 Lakers were a modern contemporary squad, not some set-shot shooting group from the pre-shot clock days.

wil.

RobFunk · Jun 15, 2005

Well Wil, I have to give you props for that post. Tough to argue with that. And you're right, West was a heck of a baller.

dmmd98 · Jun 15, 2005

What happen to the 84 team that lost in the first round to the Nets. Great 83 team but sadly you still gotta look at them as you would a one hit wonder in music.

HacheMan · Jun 15, 2005

Wil, no offense buddy, but every time this arguement comes up, those that defend yesteryear's teams and players only have a defense in the name of "Wilt", Wilt, Wilt. What about the rest of the NBA back then? Sure there were a few solid players & stars back then, but that was then, this is now.Maybe Wilt was ahead of his time, but look at his competition (besides Bill Russell) underneath, he may as well of been playing against you and I. As I've said previously, players are much too athletic now. There's not too much any of those players from the past, including Wilt, could do vs. today's era when they are getting run up and down the court and dunked on just about every play........

wilheim · Jun 15, 2005

Easy Answer

Tell me which one of the leading rebounders from 1972 would'nt play in today's NBA.

LEAGUE LEADERS
Rebounds - 1971-72
Minimum 70 games

<TABLE cellPadding=1 width=420 border=0><THEAD><TR><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000>Player</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>G</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>OFF</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>DEF</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>REB</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>RPG</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Wilt Chamberlain (Los Angeles)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1572
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>19.2
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Wes Unseld (Baltimore)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>76
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1336
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>17.6
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Milwaukee)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>81
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1346
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>16.6
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Nate Thurmond (Golden State)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1252
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>16.1
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Dave Cowens (Boston)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>79
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1203
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>15.2
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Elmore Smith (Buffalo)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1184
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>15.2
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Elvin Hayes (Houston)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1197
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.6
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Clyde Lee (Golden State)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1132
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.5
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Bob Lanier (Milwaukee)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1132
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.2
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Bill Bridges (Atl.-Phi.)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1051
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>13.5
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Happy Hairston (Los Angeles)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1045
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>13.1
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Walt Bellamy (Atlanta)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1049
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.8
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Spencer Haywood (Seattle)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>73
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>926
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.7
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Billy Cunningham (Philadelphia)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>75
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>918
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.2
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Sam Lacey (Cincinnati)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>81
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>968
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.0
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Paul Silas (Phoenix)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>955
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.9
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Rudy Tomjanovich (Houston)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>923
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.8
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Sidney Wicks (Portland)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>943
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.5
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Dave DeBusschere (New York)
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>901
</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.3
</TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT></TFOOT></TABLE>

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kermit16 · Jun 15, 2005

wilheim said:
Led by Wilt Chamberlain at center and the high-scoring guard tandem of Jerry West and Gail Goodrich, the 1971-72 Los Angeles Lakers set an NBA record by winning 33 consecutive games. Their remarkable run began on Nov. 5 with a 110-106 win over the Baltimore Bullets and did not end until more than two months later, when the Milwaukee Bucks beat the Lakers 120-104 on Jan. 9.

The Lakers won their last 14 games of November, all 16 games during December and their first three games of January to obliterate the previous NBA record of 20 straight wins, set by Milwaukee one year earlier.

The Lakers breezed through the playoffs, sweeping the Chicago Bulls in the first round, beating the Bucks in six games in the conference finals and then defeating the New York Knicks 4-1 in the NBA Finals. It was the team's first NBA championship since the franchise moved to Los Angeles in 1960 and the franchise's first since 1954. Sharman was voted Coach of the Year, Chamberlain was named MVP of the Finals, West was voted to the All-NBA First Team and Chamberlain to the All-Defensive First Team.

wil.

I had Season tickets 3 rd. row dead center in Portland and went to almost every game. This Laker team was the best I ever saw ! 33 straight wins !Why are We even discussing this ?

SALTHEITAL · Jun 15, 2005

'Sixer's Winning Percentage at Home...

1980-81= 37-4

1981-82= 32-9

1982-83= 35-6

=.846

HacheMan · Jun 15, 2005

wilheim said:
Tell me which one of the leading rebounders from 1972 would'nt play in today's NBA.

LEAGUE LEADERS
Rebounds - 1971-72
Minimum 70 games

<TABLE cellPadding=1 width=420 border=0><THEAD><TR><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000>Player</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>G</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>OFF</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>DEF</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>REB</TH><TH class=statsText borderColor=#000000 align=middle>RPG</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Wilt Chamberlain (Los Angeles)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1572

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>19.2

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Wes Unseld (Baltimore)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>76

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1336

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>17.6

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (Milwaukee)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>81

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1346

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>16.6

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Nate Thurmond (Golden State)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1252

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>16.1

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Dave Cowens (Boston)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>79

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1203

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>15.2

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Elmore Smith (Buffalo)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1184

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>15.2

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Elvin Hayes (Houston)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1197

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.6

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Clyde Lee (Golden State)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1132

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.5

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Bob Lanier (Milwaukee)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1132

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>14.2

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Bill Bridges (Atl.-Phi.)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1051

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>13.5

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Happy Hairston (Los Angeles)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1045

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>13.1

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Walt Bellamy (Atlanta)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>1049

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.8

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Spencer Haywood (Seattle)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>73

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>926

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.7

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Billy Cunningham (Philadelphia)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>75

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>918

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.2

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Sam Lacey (Cincinnati)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>81

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>968

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>12.0

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Paul Silas (Phoenix)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>955

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.9

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Rudy Tomjanovich (Houston)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>78

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>923

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.8

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Sidney Wicks (Portland)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>82

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>943

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.5

</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#999966>Dave DeBusschere (New York)

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>80

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>N/A

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>901

</TD><TD borderColor=#999966 align=middle>11.3

</TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT></TFOOT></TABLE>

wil.

Wil, we have to have a cutoff point, and I have always said that somewhere around 1980 is where I would separate things. Jabar, Dr. J , and others are some that would be caught "inbetween". Yes those are impressive rebounding numbers, but back then the big men were so much more dominant probably because of the size factor. Size/height wasn't as balanced back then as it is in today's game. Also, you have so many more solid rebounding guards and forwards in today's game. I would willing to go as far as to say that a Dennis Rodman or Tim Duncan would of averaged as many, or possibly even more rebounds than Wilt back then......

RobFunk · Jun 15, 2005

Hache Man said:
Wil, we have to have a cutoff point, and I have always said that somewhere around 1980 is where I would separate things. Jabar, Dr. J , and others are some that would be caught "inbetween". Yes those are impressive rebounding numbers, but they weren't back then the big men were so much more dominant probably because of the size factor. It wasn't as balanced as it is in today's game. Also, you have so many more solid rebounding guards and forwards in today's game. I would willing to go as far as to say that a Dennis Rodman or Tim Duncan would of averaged as many, or possibly even more rebounds than Wilt back then......

Kwame Brown would have ran wild against those guys!!!

Journeyman · Jun 15, 2005

The Center position has all but dried up, just look up two posts at that list of big men, quite a list ...not even close

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