The Shaq Daddy vs Wilt 'The Stilt' Chamberlain, Who is the More Dominant Giant?

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I have seen this debated in a few other threads here and there and figured it deserved the attention of basketball historians to debate on....


Shaq or Wilt, who was the greater basketball player and why, if they squared off. both in their prime, who would get better of the other?

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Has it already been over 5 years?


Wednesday, October 13, 1999

Wilt 'The Stilt' Chamberlain dead at 63

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Wilt Chamberlain dominated basketball for decades, setting records that will probably stand forever and even forcing the sport to change its rules to make it harder for him to score.</B>
Chamberlain, the 7-foot-1 center who once scored 100 points in a game and whose grace and power made him one of the elite athletes in any sport, died at his Bel-Air home Tuesday. He was 63.
"Wilt was the greatest offensive player I have ever seen," said Bill Russell, Chamberlain's greatest rival and the center for the championship Boston Celtics of the '60s. "Because his talent and skills were so super human, his play forced me to play at my highest level. If I didn't, I'd risk embarrassment and our team would likely lose."
Chamberlain was found dead in his bed at his Bel-Air home at about 12:30 p.m. PDT, police said.
There were signs he might have had a heart attack, authorities said. Chamberlain was hospitalized with an irregular heartbeat in 1992, and his agent, Sy Goldberg, said the Hall of Famer was on medication.
When he retired in 1973, Chamberlain had more points and more rebounds than any NBA player, and he will always be remembered for epic battles against Russell and the Celtics. Chamberlain, 4 inches taller than Russell, often seemed to be viewed as the villain in his classic matchups against the Celtics' center.
Former Lakers' teammate Jerry West said he once told Chamberlain, "Nobody roots for Goliath."
Red Auerbach, coach of those great Boston teams, admired Chamberlain.
"Wilt Chamberlain had a great deal to do with the success of the NBA," Auerbach said. "His dominance, power, demeanor and the rivalry with Bill Russell says it all."
Chamberlain starred in the NBA from 1959 through 1973, when he played for the Philadelphia (later the San Francisco) Warriors, 76ers and Lakers.
He scored 31,419 points during his career, a record until Kareem Abdul-Jabbar broke it in 1984. Chamberlain never fouled out in 1,205 regular-season and playoff games and he holds the record for career rebounding with 23,924.
"Wilt was one of the greatest ever, and we will never see another one like him," Abdul-Jabbar said.
Michael Jordan, an NBA rookie 11 years after Chamberlain retired, said: "His legacy as one of the NBA's greatest players and his achievements will stand for all time."
Chamberlain, who began his professional career with the Harlem Globetrotters in 1958, was one of only two men to win the MVP and rookie of the year awards in the same season (1959-60). He was also MVP in 1966 through 1968. He led the NBA in scoring seven straight seasons, 1960-66, and led the league in rebounding 11 of his 14 seasons.
"We truly lost one of the icons of professional basketball and, more importantly for myself, someone who I've known for almost 40 years," said a teary-eyed West, now the Lakers vice president.
After Chamberlain retired, he made news of a different sort, stirring controversy -- and a litany of jokes -- by claiming in his 1991 biography that he had had sex with 20,000 women, averaging 1.2 a day from the time he was 15.
His boast sparked wide reaction and became a sort of standard for extreme sexual activity.
Magic Johnson, who revealed shortly after the book was published that he had contracted the AIDS virus. Johnson commented, "I'm no Wilt Chamberlain, but as I traveled around NBA cities, I was never at a loss for female companionship."
Chamberlain was such a force that the NBA changed some of its rules, including widening the lane to try to keep him and his finger-roll farther away from the goal. He also prompted the sport to institute offensive goaltending and revise rules governing inbounding the ball and shooting free throws.
His most famous record is the 100 points he scored in the Philadelphia Warriors' 169-147 defeat of the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962, in Hershey, Pa.
"I spent 12 years in his armpits, and I always carried that 100-point game on my shoulders," Darrall Imhoff, the former Knicks center, said Tuesday.
"After I got my third foul, I said to one of the officials, Willy Smith, 'Why don't you just give him 100 points and we'll all go home?' Well, we did."
Chamberlain also holds the single-game record for rebounds, 55, against the Russell-led Celtics in 1960. He averaged 30.1 points in his career, including a record 50.4 in the 1961-62 season with Philadelphia. He also was one of the most versatile big men ever, with an NBA-high 702 assists in 1967-68.
Chamberlain led his team into the NBA playoffs 13 times, but won just two championships. The first came in 1966-67 with the Philadelphia 76ers, the second in 1971-72 with the Lakers, who won a record 33 straight games.
His teams lost in the finals four other times and were beaten in the conference final six times.
Russell and the Celtics almost always seemed to be the stoppers for Chamberlain-led teams, beating them twice in the championship series and five times in the conference finals. Three times, a series was decided by a seventh game that Boston won by either one or two points.
"Many have called our competition the greatest rivalry in the history of sports," Russell said. "We didn't have a rivalry; we had a genuinely fierce competition that was based on friendship and respect. We just loved playing against each other.
"The fierceness of the competition bonded us as friends for eternity. We loved competition. Wilt loved competition."
Wilton Norman Chamberlain was born Aug. 21, 1936, in Philadelphia and didn't play basketball until he was in seventh grade. He grew 4 inches in three months when he was 15 and was 6-11 when he entered Philadelphia's Overbrook High School.
After leading Overbrook to three public school championships and two all-city titles, Chamberlain became one of the most recruited players ever as more than 200 colleges expressed interest.
He chose the University of Kansas and Hall of Fame coach Phog Allen. In his first game against the Kansas varsity -- freshmen weren't allowed to compete against other teams then -- he scored 50 points before a packed Allen Fieldhouse crowd of more than 15,000.
The next year, Chamberlain scored 52 points against Northwestern in his first game, a total he never surpassed in college, partly because of zone defenses designed to keep him from getting the ball.
As a sophomore, he led the 1957 Jayhawks to the NCAA tournament finals, where Kansas lost to unbeaten North Carolina in triple overtime.
Frustrated by the smothering zone defenses, Chamberlain left Kansas after his junior year and went barnstorming with the Globetrotters.
Chamberlain, extremely agile for his size, ran cross-country in high school and was an outstanding high jumper and shot-putter at Kansas.
He remained active after his NBA career and was considered an outstanding volleyball player. He also ran in the Honolulu marathon in recent years.
In January 1998, Chamberlain made his first official visit to Kansas since his college career ended 40 years earlier. His jersey was raised to the rafters of Allen Fieldhouse.
"I've learned in life that you have to take the bitter with the sweet, and how sweet this is," Chamberlain said at the ceremony, obviously touched.
West knew that side of him.
"He was a smart guy, he was well-read. He was an authority on everything. He had this bluster about him," West said. "And on the inside, he was a soft guy."
Chamberlain is survived by sisters Barbara Lewis, Margaret Lane, Selina Gross and Yvonne Chamberlain, and brothers Wilbert and Oliver Chamberlain.
Funeral services are pending.



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:monsters- By the looks of this photo everyone just watched Wilt do his thing.


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Four flat footed defenders watch helplessly:icon_conf
 

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Wilt played against Russell, Jabbar, Lanier, Cowens, etc. How many great centers is Shaq running into in his career? Very few good to great centers in either era.
 

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bulldog77 said:
Wilt played against Russell, Jabbar, Lanier, Cowens, etc. How many great centers is Shaq running into in his career? Very few good to great centers in either era.

I see only one center in that group, Jabbar, late in Wilt's career. Shaq played against Ewing, Olajuwon, Robinson, Mutombo, Duncan, all seven footers true centers. Shaq's played against many great power forwards also.
 

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This is exactly what Robfunk and some of us are trying to point out......

The few Superstars ahead of their time in those days played in a league that was made up with with 75% of opponents who were scrubs. That's why their numbers were so overwhelming back then.The talent is MUCH more balanced today.....

These pictures tell the tale..........




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Wilt would dominate are you guys kidding? Shaq would only score on dunks, Wilt would block half his other shots. Shaq would foul out too WIlt would beat him to spots and Shaqs move of lowering the shoulder would garner him fouls against a guy so big. On defense Wilt would just finesse his way around him. Wilt is greatest physical specimen ever to play the game what part of that is hard to understand. He didn't get all the titles because those Boston teams had 8 hall of famers on them in total. Still no matter the level of competition just look at the numbers and the video of his athleticism and just admit Shaq couldn't hold Wilt's jock unless he got himself down to say 270 lean pounds, then maybe we can talk about it.
 

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Bill, I'm not sure the question actually pertained to them matching up one on one. I think it was mean who is the more dominant center in general.....
 

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No doubt about it Wilt was by far the more polished basketball player...Shaq is just so damn big...have we ever seen Shaq take 10-12 ft jumper, i couldn't imagine him squaring his body and going up for a jumper.
 

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Hache i was asking who would get the better of the other one, basically the same question though.
 

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Journeyman said:
Hache i was asking who would get the better of the other one, basically the same question though.

Ok J, my fault, I was just going by this...

The Shaq Daddy vs Wilt 'The Stilt' Chamberlain, Who is the More Dominant Giant?

Bottom line is Shaq would just manhandle him underneath just as he does and always has every other NBA player. Wilt would be no different......
 

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Great post Wild Bill

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Wilt scoring over leaping Willis Reed.


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Wilt Rebounds with Kareem watching flatfooted.


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Wilt skies higher than Shaq ever dreamed of jumping.


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Wilt as world class long jumper.


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Manhandle this

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Wilt joking and towering over world heavyweight champ Muhammod Ali.

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Another battle with hall of famer Willis Reed
 

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The whole match-up thing would still come down to how much the refs let Shaq get away with, being he would be so much stronger than Wilt! :party:
 

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