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The news story describes the arrest of a man charged with pedophilia. Found in his possession was a 'log' book containing the names of 36,000 possible victims. Well, the mindless press throws that out but doesn't go to the effort to examine the possibility of that occurring. Yes, the guy seems to be very troubled and if even one name in that book represents a victim it is a tragedy.

However, I would think that the story or police quoted within the story would mention that a 63 year old would have to have innappropriate 'contact' with 1.5 children EVERY DAY OF HIS LIFE to reach the 36,000 names in his log book.

Obviously he is one sick fellow and I hope he is removed from society, but at least point out to the brainless in our society that 36,000 children were not molested by this suspect. tulsa
 

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I compliment your logical deduction, Tulsa. Just goes to show how people (myself included) are so willing to believe so much of what we hear and read without really doing the math.

It reminds me of people telling stories of "an old guy" they know (it's never them, always some guy they know or heard about) who bought his brand new Chevy truck with the $$ he made picking up aluminum cans.

Really? Let's do the math. Figure a can is worth a penny, and the truck cost him $20,000. Let's say he averages picking up one can per minute. This might seem low, but considering walking, travel time, lunch breaks, etc., it is probably pretty high. Let's say he does this for 10 hours per day (probably also high). 10 hours x 60 cans per hour = 600 cans per day x $.01 per can is $6 per day. At this rate, it will take him 3,333 days to earn $20,000. 3,333 days is about 9 years working 10 hours a day, 365 days a year. Plus, this does not allow a penny to eat on or pay bills.

I'm not buying it that these old dudes vulturing the parking lots after football games are buying their trucks with can $$ alone. Hell, recycling centers, where people bring in bags full of cans all day, can't even stay solvent without government subsidies.
 

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the tradgedy is that this guy has been in jail before for molesting kids....


WHY DO THEY KEEP LETTING THESE PIECES OF SHIT OUT? They have proved time and time again they will do it again........
 

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El Iguana said:
I compliment your logical deduction, Tulsa. Just goes to show how people (myself included) are so willing to believe so much of what we hear and read without really doing the math.

It reminds me of people telling stories of "an old guy" they know (it's never them, always some guy they know or heard about) who bought his brand new Chevy truck with the $$ he made picking up aluminum cans.

Really? Let's do the math. Figure a can is worth a penny, and the truck cost him $20,000. Let's say he averages picking up one can per minute. This might seem low, but considering walking, travel time, lunch breaks, etc., it is probably pretty high. Let's say he does this for 10 hours per day (probably also high). 10 hours x 60 cans per hour = 600 cans per day x $.01 per can is $6 per day. At this rate, it will take him 3,333 days to earn $20,000. 3,333 days is about 9 years working 10 hours a day, 365 days a year. Plus, this does not allow a penny to eat on or pay bills.

I'm not buying it that these old dudes vulturing the parking lots after football games are buying their trucks with can $$ alone. Hell, recycling centers, where people bring in bags full of cans all day, can't even stay solvent without government subsidies.

where are cans only worth .01?

i have seen .05 and .10....
 

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sherman said:
where are cans only worth .01?

i have seen .05 and .10....

That's the aluminum value of a can with no deposit in a state like Nevada. Before 1980 or so CT had no deposit, Sherman.
 

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DougJ said:
That's the aluminum value of a can with no deposit in a state like Nevada. Before 1980 or so CT had no deposit, Sherman.

oh. before 1980 was never older than 5.......
 

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I remember it because I was in high school working at a supermarket when the "bottle bill' passed. It was chaos at first. They didn't have machines to crush and shred the returned containers, they were bagged in large plastic bags and hauled away in trailors. Nasty department to work in.
 

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DougJ said:
I remember it because I was in high school working at a supermarket when the "bottle bill' passed. It was chaos at first. They didn't have machines to crush and shred the returned containers, they were bagged in large plastic bags and hauled away in trailors. Nasty department to work in.

well i do remember around '82 taking them to the cumberland farms whom didnt have those machines and they took them in the brown paper bags....i specifically remember one time the guy told me they wouldn't except them cause they were'nt washed....i was about 7, so i didn't argue much.....gave them back to my dad and he went off on the guy and made him take them....
 

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sherman said:
well i do remember around '82 taking them to the cumberland farms whom didnt have those machines and they took them in the brown paper bags....i specifically remember one time the guy told me they wouldn't except them cause they were'nt washed....i was about 7, so i didn't argue much.....gave them back to my dad and he went off on the guy and made him take them....


It's a trip in Vegas, you'll see bums diving in dumpsters to get the 1-cent cans. Another Vegas sight is bums pushing shopping carts or riding bicycles to the scrap metal dealer so over-loaded with bags of cans they are nearly the size of a small car !
 

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DougJ said:
It's a trip in Vegas, you'll see bums diving in dumpsters to get the 1-cent cans. Another Vegas sight is bums pushing shopping carts or riding bicycles to the scrap metal dealer so over-loaded with bags of cans they are nearly the size of a small car !

just cause they are digging for cans does not make them bums....

but geez .01, if they could get to Michigan, they'd get a huge raise!
 

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It IS possible for the sicko to have 36k legit names in his journal. If you read the latest story, one of his "categories" was "boys who said no." He probably propositioned several boys a day, and most said no. :sad3:
 

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It IS possible for the sicko to have 36k legit names in his journal. If you read the latest story, one of his "categories" was "boys who said no." He probably propositioned several boys a day, and most said no. :sad3:



what kind of world do we live in?
 

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warm cities like LV, Phoenix, etc. attract homeless malodorous economically unfortunate persons. Michigan is too cold.
 

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DougJ said:
warm cities like LV, Phoenix, etc. attract homeless malodorous economically unfortunate persons. Michigan is too cold.

you should try hartford or providence......
 

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"Authorities searched his San Jose home and found detailed, handwritten records of 36,000 assaults over a span of decades. Headings for the logs include "Blond Boys," "Cute Boys" and "Boys who say no," San Jose Police Lt. Scott Cornfield said."
 
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Nice justice system....this is pathetic

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</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><!-- Attribute tag did not render. Message was: Attribute type or value NewsVideos in the ObjectType NewsStory at index(0) does not exist -->SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Despite being arrested at least nine times for molesting boys, Dean Arthur Schwartzmiller managed to avoid lengthy prison terms, coach Little League, move in with another convicted sex offender -- and be named by authorities as one of the most prolific child molesters in history. <SCRIPT>if (LinkCount>0){ var linkselement=document.getElementById("links"); if (linkselement!=null) { linkselement.style.visibility="visible"; }} else { var spanElement = document.getElementById("links"); if (spanElement != null) { spanElement.innerHTML = ""; }}</SCRIPT><!-- StartLoop tag did not render. Message was: Attribute value for NewsVideos in ObjectType NewsStory does not exist -->Schwartzmiller's criminal record began 35 years ago, but he never registered as a sex offender and spent just 12 years in prison. In his time on the outside, police suspect he molested as many as 36,000 children in several states, Mexico and Brazil.

Wily, charismatic and "smarter than heck," is how James Kevan, one of his defense lawyers in the mid-1970s, described Schwartzmiller on Friday. "He could write up legal documents better than most lawyers."

Often defending himself in court, Schwartzmiller got two of his four convictions overturned, even though the Idaho Supreme Court called him a repeat offender who "uses his intelligence to take advantage of the weak and oppressed and those who are in need."

With Schwartzmiller, 63, being held without bail on charges involving two San Jose boys, police and the FBI are trying to retrace his movements over the last 30 years.

A search of Schwartzmiller's San Jose home turned up spiral-bound notebooks with notes on more than 36,000 children, in categories such as "Blond Boys," "Cute Boys" and "Boys who say no" -- together with codes appearing to indicate how he abused them, San Jose Police Lt. Scott Cornfield said.

Messages left for Schwartzmiller's public defender last week were not returned.

In court records released Friday, authorities said Schwartzmiller lived for five years with another convicted sex offender whom he met in jail -- Freddie Everts, 34. The pair allegedly lured boys to their home with gifts including skateboards, video games and a motor bike.

Everts said Schwartzmiller claimed to be dying from an undisclosed illness and was keeping notes on his "encounters with boys" for a manuscript, according to court records. Everts is in jail on charges he failed to register as a sex offender.

Kevan -- the former attorney who was later disbarred -- after having drug problems, he says -- said he knew Schwartzmiller as Tim Miller, one of his dozen or so aliases, when they both lived in Mountain Home, Idaho, a small town near the Sawtooth Mountains.

"When I first met him, he was coaching a Little League football team. I helped him coach," Kevan said. "The parents all thought he was great. No one suspected a thing."

In retrospect, there were signs something was wrong -- like the time he took the team to a game in Boise, and they "stopped in the desert to do a jock strap check." Kevan said he wasn't on the bus at the time, and only later realized that Schwartzmiller may have been picking out potential victims.

By that point, Schwartzmiller had already been convicted of molesting boys. His record appears to date back to 1970, when he was convicted in Alaska of lewd and lascivious conduct with three teen boys. He was sentenced to two years' probation, then indicted again two years later for molesting another boy -- but he apparently fled the state before he could be tried.

Over the years, Schwartzmiller was convicted of molestation charges at least four times, but was acquitted once and avoided prosecution on other charges. When he first came to authorities' attention, there were no Megan's Laws or three-strikes laws, and Americans were less aware of the ramifications and the severity of child sexual abuse.

He called on Kevan for help when he was facing trial in Idaho in the 1970s on charges he molested two 13-year-old boys.

"I said, 'You've got to tell me what's going on.' He told me everything," Kevan said -- outlining a history of molesting boys from Alaska down the West Coast.

Even then, Schwartzmiller had been keeping notebooks of his victims, with "a couple hundred" boys' names, followed by numbers that described each boy's anatomy, Kevan said.

"The investigators didn't know what they meant. They didn't even take them," Kevan said. "I told him to get rid of them."

Mountain Home Police Capt. Dave Pursell, who was on the force at the time, said he had no information about the notebooks. But he remembers Schwartzmiller well.

"He brought several suits against the sheriff here, and against the state and against anybody and everybody. In Idaho statutes there's a lot of case law related to Mr. Schwartzmiller."

Schwartzmiller spent about two years in prison on the Idaho charges before he appealed his conviction to the Idaho Supreme Court and won in 1978. The following year two 14-year-old boys said he molested them and he fled again -- this time to Oregon, where he was arrested again, accused of bringing a boy from Little Rock, Ark. to San Francisco in June 1980. Authorities said Schwartzmiller had forced the boy into prostitution.

But the U.S. Attorney's office deferred prosecution to authorities in Idaho, where he served another six years in prison for molesting boys. By that time, Kevan had been disbarred, so he hired another attorney, Lance Churchill, who now works for a real estate company in Boise.

"He was famous as one of the best prison lawyers in Idaho," Churchill said. "He was respected because if an inmate needed help in a legal case, he would help them out. If he saw an injustice he would try to help the inmate. He was pretty well-liked out there."

In the years after Schwartzmiller was set free in 1987, he was arrested at least four more times for abusing children. He served three more years in Oregon, got out, was repeatedly arrested for violating parole and allegedly abusing other children, won an acquittal in Washington state, and fled rather than face arrest on another warrant in Oregon.

Joan Cavagnaro, the deputy prosecutor who tried the Washington case, said she had no doubt about Schwartzmiller's guilt, though she had no evidence like that found in the notebooks. Child abuse cases can be difficult to prosecute, Cavagnaro said, particularly when suspects target victims from troubled homes.

"Touching does not leave physical evidence," she said. "So you have one person's word against another and in the context of chaotic, dysfunctional family settings, this makes it a very difficult crime to prove."


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