Fishhead said:
Come on Fish answer the question, this is unlike you. You said b/c it is not a good moneymaker. That tells us nothing. Are there more straight options with KJ? Is that it. False sense of security with the Ace?
I can't figure it out. The percentages have been shown and they don't back you up.
For the record, I am inclined to believe you and Doyle. Just want some proof. Hopefully your answer will make me a better player
1st off A-Q suited is a lot better than A-Q off-suit. But they both need to be played very carefully.
I have never in my life seen K-J ranked higher than A-Q. Can you PLEASE use some LOGIC to back this belief up?
Doyle also says: A-Q is NOT a major trouble hand if it is suited or if he gets it in a short handed game. In short handed it is a HUGE hand.
"The reason I consider those hands borderline is because I question calling a raise with them. If they are suited I will call a raise with them and go ahead and take a turn. When they are not suited I will not call a raise if I am out of position."
"If I am in late position and the pot has been raised...and another man calls....well, then I will usually call with them -- but, I will hear another bell ringing when I do. This time, this bell will be reminding me to play the hand with extreme caution unless I get an excellent turn to it."
Doyle does not avoid A-Q altogether.
There are SO MANY turns that make A-Q a monster hand.....a LOT MORE than the turns that make K-J a monster.
I think it is such a trouble hand...because people view it as a MONSTER....when it is really not. I think the same can be said for QQ and JJ.
I have never in my life seen K-J ranked higher than A-Q. Can you PLEASE use some LOGIC to back this belief up?
Doyle also says: A-Q is NOT a major trouble hand if it is suited or if he gets it in a short handed game. In short handed it is a HUGE hand.
"The reason I consider those hands borderline is because I question calling a raise with them. If they are suited I will call a raise with them and go ahead and take a turn. When they are not suited I will not call a raise if I am out of position."
"If I am in late position and the pot has been raised...and another man calls....well, then I will usually call with them -- but, I will hear another bell ringing when I do. This time, this bell will be reminding me to play the hand with extreme caution unless I get an excellent turn to it."
Doyle does not avoid A-Q altogether.
There are SO MANY turns that make A-Q a monster hand.....a LOT MORE than the turns that make K-J a monster.
I think it is such a trouble hand...because people view it as a MONSTER....when it is really not. I think the same can be said for QQ and JJ.
Let me shed some light on this subject.
K-J is an easier hand to get away from A-Q. That does not make it a better hand.
Chances are if an A comes on the flop, you will throw your Kojak away. If an A comes and you have AQ you will bust out of lose serious coin to numerous hands.
KJ has some straight possibilities while AQ had basically one.
That's a very brief explanation, but wanted to shed a little light on the subject.
Don't turn this thread into a shill for Doyle's Room when it should be an educational discussion please.
K-J is an easier hand to get away from A-Q. That does not make it a better hand.
Chances are if an A comes on the flop, you will throw your Kojak away. If an A comes and you have AQ you will bust out of lose serious coin to numerous hands.
KJ has some straight possibilities while AQ had basically one.
That's a very brief explanation, but wanted to shed a little light on the subject.
Don't turn this thread into a shill for Doyle's Room when it should be an educational discussion please.
that is the main problem i have with aq......how can u get away from it when u raise or call a raise in position and flop is A-2-2 rainbow or something similar....im not saying its a bad hand but you should always be the FIRST one to come in for a raise,
i will play aq from early position but will never play KJ,
i can get away from KJ if flop is K-2-2 easier then i would get away from AQ on that other flop....i'll take AQ or JJ anytime in the tourney even though many don't like them because they overplay them....they are not that bad hands if u know how to play them, but i will still say that AQ sure as hell is a trouble hand.
i will play aq from early position but will never play KJ,
i can get away from KJ if flop is K-2-2 easier then i would get away from AQ on that other flop....i'll take AQ or JJ anytime in the tourney even though many don't like them because they overplay them....they are not that bad hands if u know how to play them, but i will still say that AQ sure as hell is a trouble hand.
what fish is talking about is not which hand will win in a showdown vs the other hand. obviously if i go all in with AQ i would be very happy to see the other guy with KJ. But if we are playing a cash game or in the early stages of a tourney you can lose alot more with AQ than with kj.
Personally i would make an amendment to that statement. I dont even like KJ that much. Hands like 10-8s are much more profitable or low pocket pairs. These are hands that will break your oppenent more often than it will break you. I play break em hold em. I try to get in preflop for cheap with "questionable hands" and then try to hit a monster and break my opponent
hands like AQ are good hands but if you hit an ace on the flop you better not commit yourself too early. A pair of aces is a very dangerous hand that should always be played cautiously, especially multiway
Personally i would make an amendment to that statement. I dont even like KJ that much. Hands like 10-8s are much more profitable or low pocket pairs. These are hands that will break your oppenent more often than it will break you. I play break em hold em. I try to get in preflop for cheap with "questionable hands" and then try to hit a monster and break my opponent
hands like AQ are good hands but if you hit an ace on the flop you better not commit yourself too early. A pair of aces is a very dangerous hand that should always be played cautiously, especially multiway
"But if we are playing a cash game or in the early stages of a tourney you can lose alot more with AQ than with kj."
What are you talking about. Proceed cautiously....but give me the A-Q all day. I believe you can lose the same amount with A-Q as you can with K-J....that would be your whole stack.
I hope someday you hold KJ and the flop comes K-J-10.....and a girl with AQ nut straights on your leg.....or whatever.
What are you talking about. Proceed cautiously....but give me the A-Q all day. I believe you can lose the same amount with A-Q as you can with K-J....that would be your whole stack.
I hope someday you hold KJ and the flop comes K-J-10.....and a girl with AQ nut straights on your leg.....or whatever.
