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There isn’t a Day seems to go by without some thread making reference to Public Money, always in a derogatory manner. Some posters talk about fading the Public as if it was a statement that they are sharp, there is even two posters in the Baseball Forum arguing about a game, saying the Public are on the opposite side of their pick.

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I am not certain but like most Myths, it has come about on initial sound reasoning which people eventually, over time distort into a monster, on a side note, it makes great reading from a Tout angle. This one probably came from the Stock Market and their Herd mentality view, which has some merit.

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So, what is Public Money? There are several ways of looking at it, all reasonable assumptions, The Favourite, as most Money will be gambled on it, The Steamer, where the odds collapse, the obvious selection I haven’t a brain punter. Leaving all this aside, to make any judgement on the value of a price, you have to have an opinion. For example, assuming I know what I am talking about, I make New England –3 in a game, when the spreads comes out the books make the game a pick. Because of the perceived value, I load up my maximum and at game time, I am proud of the fact I was right, as the spread is now –3. My Friend however has the opposite view, he considers the game a pick and a no bet, now at –3 he says the spread has gone too far and bets accordingly. The question is, is this line movement due to the so-called Public or so-called sharps or both. The answer is both, putting a value on a price is a personal thing and covers all denominations.

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Now that we have that nonsense out of the way, lets talk about what the original reasoning was and how it still works today. The Herd mentality theory bases it’s thinking on, if enough people buy a stock, there comes a time where it becomes over valued. At the bottom of this curve is where the what we call Mugs, you call squares buy in and its these Mugs people should be talking about, not the Public.

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It’s the Mugs that will be taking –3 New England and even if they win, it’s a suicidal policy. Once again, you have the steamers, regardless of where the origin, only a Mug will take the odds. The other scenario is where you get the good thing, the Books will shorten the odds even more knowing the Mugs will take any price, try betting the other side and you get the knock-back.

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I am not trying to come across smart in this thread, but just want posters to focus more on value than the futility of what the perceived Public play is.
 

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Never let the public tell you who to bet. Ever!!!

Sorry Slim.
 

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choptalk said:
Never let the public tell you who to bet. Ever!!!

Sorry Slim.

i agree! i never did understand worrying so much about the "public" money.....are we that sharp? i doubt it.....
 

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I think you're missing a few things. Keep in mind that not every game has public money bet on it. But on some games there are clear instances where public money becomes a factor. You can throw out hypothetical situations and ask "where's the public money here" but that's missing the point entirley.
 

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hey you dont hurt my feelings bro, I only make a living booking this stuff.
 

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Omni said:
I think you're missing a few things. Keep in mind that not every game has public money bet on it. But on some games there are clear instances where public money becomes a factor. You can throw out hypothetical situations and ask "where's the public money here" but that's missing the point entirley.

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I think you are missing the point. Every game does have Public Money bet on it, there are no games where it becomes a factor, its not hypothetical, you tell me a game, where the so-called Public Money is. Now, if you want to talk about Mug Money, thats a different subject, substitute Mug for Public in your thoughts and you are spot on.
 

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At the bottom of this curve is where the what we call Mugs, you call squares buy in and its these Mugs people should be talking about, not the Public.

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It’s the Mugs that will be taking –3 New England and even if they win, it’s a suicidal policy.

In this case, the Mugs you're talking about are just flat out bad bettors.

I would disagree with several of your points. It may just be a matter of diferrent defentions for the words. Not every game has what I would consider "public" money bet on it, and in some games the money that I would consider "public" money clearly plays a factor.

The problem here is that you change the defention of the term "public money" from it's context used before to yours...which encompasses almost all money bet on a game other than the idiot followers who take the worst of the number. I think that's were the real point is being missed. That type of perception is just flat out not true IMO.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Nice write up.
 

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Something I forgot which maybe Omni's post borders on is, when a coach or player makes a comment, or there is an injury, the price moves accordingly. As far as I am concerned, this is just an extension of your original value assumption. A case in point, which granted does not impact too much on your side of the pond, is, The Lions are playing The All Blacks tomorrow and originallly the spread was All Blacks-5.5, because the Lions coach, according to the press, has gone off his rocker and made some dubious selections for the game, the spread has gone to -8.5. This coach is the equivalent to Belichick, so you either go with the press or with the coach to determine the value. The point I am trying to make is, it is opinions that make prices move, regardless if they are someone elses, one thing is for sure, it is the Mug who is taking the -8.5
 

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Omni said:
In this case, the Mugs you're talking about are just flat out bad bettors.

I would disagree with several of your points. It may just be a matter of diferrent defentions for the words. Not every game has what I would consider "public" money bet on it, and in some games the money that I would consider "public" money clearly plays a factor.

The problem here is that you change the defention of the term "public money" from it's context used before to yours...which encompasses almost all money bet on a game other than the idiot followers who take the worst of the number. I think that's were the real point is being missed. That type of perception is just flat out not true IMO.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Nice write up.

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Your repeating yourself, however, you are getting to understanding my point.:103631605
 

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Omni said:
In this case, the Mugs you're talking about are just flat out bad bettors.

I would disagree with several of your points. It may just be a matter of diferrent defentions for the words. Not every game has what I would consider "public" money bet on it, and in some games the money that I would consider "public" money clearly plays a factor.

The problem here is that you change the defention of the term "public money" from it's context used before to yours...which encompasses almost all money bet on a game other than the idiot followers who take the worst of the number. I think that's were the real point is being missed. That type of perception is just flat out not true IMO.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Nice write up.


I am of the opinion that public money is only money risked by idiot homer fans. But people who bet against the public dont really consider how much money the money is actually betting on a particular game.. Matter of fact this should never be consideration. A good gambler see's the public money games as soon as the lines open...for example take Ohio state vs Iowa last year. When that line came out, the oddsmakers of course factor in the huge ohio state fan base that will take OSU no matter what the spread is. When that line opened a smart gambler would know right off the bat that OSU is getting extra points just because of their name and that the oddsmakers are luring public money on OSU... He does not wait around to see if the public actually jumps all over OSU. (Best example this year was Patriots-7 in this years superbowl vs the eagles)

Thats my take on public money and i am sticking to it....


Ps...I have been banned before from a book apparently for chasing steam. I have still not yet figured out what this means exactly....What the hell is a steam chaser?
 

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The biggest myth of all is the fact that people think so called public money is losing money. Just because Joe 6-pack takes the New England Patriots on Monday night does not mean the other team is the smart side.
 

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Choptalk, that's true for any one particular game, but over the long run the public money is losing money.
 

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redpimp,

This is precisely my point. Put your OSU example up against my New England example, and once again I ask, is it sharp money or the public, you or I dont know, its your interpretation of value.

choptalk,

Exactly my point.:103631605
 

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Omni said:
Choptalk, that's true for any one particular game, but over the long run the public money is losing money.

But sometimes the public money and the sharp money is on the same team. Just cap the games and place your bets according to your capping ability.
 

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There isn’t a Day seems to go by without some thread making reference to Public Money, always in a derogatory manner. Some posters talk about fading the Public as if it was a statement that they are sharp, there is even two posters in the Baseball Forum arguing about a game, saying the Public are on the opposite side of their pick.

<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

I am not certain but like most Myths, it has come about on initial sound reasoning which people eventually, over time distort into a monster, on a side note, it makes great reading from a Tout angle. This one probably came from the Stock Market and their Herd mentality view, which has some merit.

<o:p></o:p>

So, what is Public Money? There are several ways of looking at it, all reasonable assumptions, The Favourite, as most Money will be gambled on it, The Steamer, where the odds collapse, the obvious selection I haven’t a brain punter. Leaving all this aside, to make any judgement on the value of a price, you have to have an opinion. For example, assuming I know what I am talking about, I make New England –3 in a game, when the spreads comes out the books make the game a pick. Because of the perceived value, I load up my maximum and at game time, I am proud of the fact I was right, as the spread is now –3. My Friend however has the opposite view, he considers the game a pick and a no bet, now at –3 he says the spread has gone too far and bets accordingly. The question is, is this line movement due to the so-called Public or so-called sharps or both. The answer is both, putting a value on a price is a personal thing and covers all denominations.

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Now that we have that nonsense out of the way, lets talk about what the original reasoning was and how it still works today. The Herd mentality theory bases it’s thinking on, if enough people buy a stock, there comes a time where it becomes over valued. At the bottom of this curve is where the what we call Mugs, you call squares buy in and its these Mugs people should be talking about, not the Public.

<o:p></o:p>

It’s the Mugs that will be taking –3 New England and even if they win, it’s a suicidal policy. Once again, you have the steamers, regardless of where the origin, only a Mug will take the odds. The other scenario is where you get the good thing, the Books will shorten the odds even more knowing the Mugs will take any price, try betting the other side and you get the knock-back.

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I am not trying to come across smart in this thread, but just want posters to focus more on value than the futility of what the perceived Public play is.
 

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Ok, hold on a sec here.

Let's use the OSU example from redpimp that winbet mentioned...just like he said "When that line opened a smart gambler would know right off the bat that OSU is getting extra points just because of their name and that the oddsmakers are luring public money on OSU". Exactly. And you ask, "Is it sharp money or public money?" You don't need to ask. It's public money, and it's being bet into an inflated side (he even said in the example that the OSU side was inflated!).

Now you can say "Well that doesn't mean that they are all wrong. OSU could be the right side becasue they could still win and cover the number" Like I said, in any ONE game that could be true, but give me 100 examples just like that, and the money I identified as public money will lose. No question! Thus like I said, in the long run, public money does exsist, and public money is losing money.
 
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