Is(was) Tod Helton on the juice?

Amazing how this guys numbers fell off a cliff once the league and public came out strong against steroid use in the MLB and Giambi and Big Mac were caught red-handed.

On juice and playing in Mile High air...

...anywhere else he is Micky Morandini, or a Tennessee Volunteer backup QB

:lolBIG:

Journeyman said:

On juice and playing in Mile High air...

...anywhere else he is Micky Morandini

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:lolBIG:

:toast:

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He had to have been

No other way to explain it. He was a terror year after year and now is putting up Jason numbers.

Never "true" juice, but Creatine.

The year is 1/2 over and he is only 1/3 as productive as he has traditionally been, even though he is "healthy" as far as I know. This is no "slump." This guy crashed to earth, HARD.

Helton home vs road numbers the last 3 years...disgusting:

2004
Home: .368, 21 HR, 60 RBI
Road: .326, 11 HR, 36 RBI

2003
Home: .391, 23 HR, 72 RBI
Road: .324, 10 HR, 45 RBI

2002
Home: .378, 18 HR, 65 RBI
Road: .281, 12 HR, 44 RBI

Very average player getting by on Coors Field advantage. I would love to see Bonds/Pujols in Coors Field for 10 seasons.

He also is not getting much to hit. He always had Larry Walker, Vinny Castilla, The Big Cat or Dante Bichette to protect him. Now he has Preston Wilson. He is having an awful year and may have been taking the needle, but the lack of anything around him doesn't help.

Man, show me his road numbers for 2005. I bet that makes for a good laugh. What is he batting, .200 with 1 or 2 HR's in about 65 ABs? All at about 15 million per season?

he has never been on the juice

his dad would kick his ass

He sounds like another Todd Marinovich to me. :drink:

ppeter said:

Man, show me his road numbers for 2005. I bet that makes for a good laugh. What is he batting, .200 with 1 or 2 HR's in about 65 ABs? All at about 15 million per season?

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2005
Home: .289, 6 HR, 22 RBI
Road: .236, 3 HR, 8 RBI

This guy is a clown.

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I was close. Batting .236 with 3 HR's in 123 AB's on the road, at a bargain price of $12.6 million per season :monsters-

How else can you explain it???

If not juice then he just lost every once of talent he's had...

This is fishy, also add Ivan Rodriguez to the "I can't hit without steroids list.....

Having protection is important but you just don't go down this far on protection alone....

He was on it, he just didn't know it.

Hell yeah he was on the juice!

TTinCO said:

Never "true" juice, but Creatine.

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I heard him talking about this. During the pre-season I believe, one of the announcers claimed he was doing roids and Helton turned around and filed a law suit against the guy. He was on the Dan Patrick show all pissed off over it. He said just Creatine which everyone does.

Helton's stats have dropped dramatically this year but can someone explain what happened to Mike Lowell? His stats this year make Helton's look great!!

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Last updated through games completed on Jun 30, 2005

He'll still end up batting around .310 or so. You guys are actually ragging a guy because he hits .300 on the road?

Big f-in deal. He produces better than 99% of major leaguers on the road.