An open letter to Royal, Amit, and Tej: Nobody expects you to pay a player if his ac

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An open letter to Royal, Amit, and Tej: Nobody expects you to pay a player if his account was bet down to 0

THE IMMEDIATE MATTER AT HAND

IF the player bet the money, then don't pay him. You are not doing anyone any favors by paying someone if he is scamming you.

Now you have these tapes. These tapes purport to be of the player canceling the balance of his withdrawal, $20,000, putting it into play, and losing it. The player vehemently denies he did this. He is adamant that he never made such calls.

So who is telling the truth? Are the tapes legitimate?

The Shrink has been taking a lot of heat over this matter. He has tried to mediate this to the best of his ability. He has the player telling him one thing and Royal who has changed their story telling him something else. But Royal has the tapes.

The player has at the request of the Shrink agreed to take a polygraph test as well as submit his voice for analysis.

The Shrink asked Kevin and/or Amit to take a polygraph, they have declined. At first Royal said they would send Shrink the original tapes, then changed it to copies of the originals, then when it came time to get the address from him, they changed the subject. They are clearly not interested in sending either the original tapes or copies.

The Shrink intends to do the best he can with the wave files of the conversations that have been made public by the Major. He intends to have them analyzed by a professional service to see 1) if they match the players voice and 2) if it is possible to tell if they have been spliced together somehow.

Amit, Tej's messenger boy, was very adamant that Shrink come out and say the tapes are real. According to the Shrink, Amit seemed very unsettled about the tape issue. Apparently Royal can live with its slow pay reputation, but if it comes out they doctored tapes, that is even too much for them. It is also interesting that day one when this came up Royal didn't IMMEDIATELY respond with, "His balance is 0, he canceled the withdrawal and bet the balance." Instead we don't hear these claims until later. Seems like a pretty simple defense if that was the truth day one.

SLOW PAYING GAMES, KEEP THEM ON THE PROPERTY

As to your slow paying games, you are a disgrace to the industry. Your slogan should be "Bet Royal, Sweat the Payout!" I think I may have to start referring to your operation as Royal Sweats since that is what people get when they play with you, a royal case of the sweats. There were three more cases of slow payment reported at SBR on July 1.

Your alleged $10,000 a week withdrawal limit can be found nowhere on your site. And it's disproportionate to the action you take from some of your victims. You love the "Keep them on the property game." If you force them to wait for their money, they will lose it. It worked very well in this case when the player was up to 200K, congratulations.

Even in resolution, you are a joke. Last week when you agreed to pay the player, the check couldn't go out on Friday because it was a Canadian holiday, and it couldn't go out on Monday because it is an American holiday. Everyone has to bank somewhere and be subject to local banking holidays, but make up your mind where the money is coming from. You are so used to the phony bank holiday stalls you throw them out there automatically.

NAVTEJ KOHLI, aka TEJ

Royal is allegedly 100% owned by Tej Kohli, a man who has ripped of people at Pyramid as well as Score Sportsbook, as well as the perpetrator of a major financial scam he got caught for in the US which got him sentenced to 80 months. Even if he is just a consultant, Royal should be boycotted for no other reason. Royal's silence on this question has been deafening. Again, if anybody accused me of being associated with him and it was not true, I would be shouting at the top of my lungs. They just refuse to discuss the issue.

Until Tej makes everyone he robbed whole with interest I will not drop this issue. When Royal got in bed with dog sh*t, what did they expect? You have nobody to blame but yourself on this issue. Actually, you also have nobody to blame but yourself for the long train of slow pays.

ROYAL SPORTS IPO

The Shrink told me that Royal thinks they will go public and become the next Party Poker. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the laugh, that's the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. First of all if you want to go public you have to pay all of your players in a timely fashion. Second, you have to have a decent reputation. Ben Franklin once said, "Glass, China, and reputation are easily cracked and never mended well." And third, and most important, you must pass due diligence, you must be transparent. There is no way any operation with Tej at the helm whether he is hiding behind his shell companies or not will stand up to the due diligence requirements on a major exchange.

I mean Tej is no stranger to fraud and inflated financial records. But there is no way that is going to fly in an IPO, not in today's regulatory climate. I still have a few connections on the street at some major institutions. I will personally see that the compliance departments of all the major US, Canadian, European, Australian, and Asian exchanges will be put on notice to be on the look out for this. Don't think you are going to hide behind Cometa NV, Hialea NV, or Interactive Entertainment or whatever shell companies you have morphed them into now. They'll be looking for you Tej. You are a thief and you should have gotten 20 years for your first scam and another 20 for what you did at Score and Pyramid. If they know who you are, and know you are coming, they'll be waiting.

SHRINK IS NOT AN EXTORTIONIST

I don't think it is right that Shrink is being labeled as an extortionist on this matter. He agrees as much as I do that if the player fails the polygraph test or an audio expert confirms that is the player on the tape, that the player should not be paid. Shrink has taken the time to talk to the player, and at this point he is his advocate in this matter. If Royal is in the right here, let them cooperate with the analysis and send the tapes. The reason many are so quick to believe the player on this matter and suspect foul play with the tapes is because Royal has a reputation for jerking players around. I'm sure if this were a top shelf book and they presented the tapes, the matter would be settled. But when you have a long history of slow pays, shady transaction fees, and Tej at your helm, this is what you get.

The Shrink only wants the player paid if he is due.
 

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It is also interesting that day one when this came up Royal didn't IMMEDIATELY respond with, "His balance is 0, he canceled the withdrawal and bet the balance." Instead we don't hear these claims until later. Seems like a pretty simple defense if that was the truth day one.

Jay it seems the player made the bets AFTER he contacted OSGA and subsequently the General regarding slow pay. I obviously don't know the timeline of discussion, but that certainly would not have been in his first complaint.
 

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Boy this Royal case sure brings up a lot of issues


Current argument being used is that if it is not the players voice on a tape, then the tape must be a "forgery". What repurcussions does this have?

Well now, any guy that wants to take a shot at a book can have his friend, brother, etc call in the wager for him. Do we expect every clerk to analyze the voice on the other end of the tape before accepting a bet? Because you know it will not be disputed UNLESS the player makes a claim and the tape is requested for analysis by a "watchdog".

Likewise, the number the phone call originates from, IP address, etc are all invalid. Easy enough to use another computer, phone line, etc. Or should people not be allowed to wager while travelling?

The general rule of thumb has been (and should continue to be):

A wager verified by customer password or account number is binding (each book has slightly different rules about what constitutes the "confirmation"

If the correct password, etc is used to confirm the wager on the tape, it doesn't matter if it is the guy's grandmother calling in. Players are responsible for maintaining the secrecy of their password (ask Pat McIrish about this rule)

THIS IS YET ANOTHER BAD PRECEDENT BEING SET BY THIS CASE

You watchdogs know the magnitude of shot-takers out there. If you allow a "voice discrepancy" to determine the outcome of a bet, you are setting books up for some major scamsters.
 

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drunkguy said:
THIS IS YET ANOTHER BAD PRECEDENT BEING SET BY THIS CASE

You watchdogs know the magnitude of shot-takers out there. If you allow a "voice discrepancy" to determine the outcome of a bet, you are setting books up for some major scamsters.

Very true.
 

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Jay C sums it up succintly: "As to your slow paying games, you are a disgrace to the industry. Your slogan should be "Bet Royal, Sweat the Payout!"
 

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Let me make something clear...I am not siding with Royal at all....I have always been very critical of Royal....and this case has made it more obvious they are at best a garbage book...if my post above agreeing with "a part" of the post was mistaken I apologize to anyone who saw it that way...unfucking believable !
 

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Good post J C. I'm glad you posted it across the street too where it will draw more fire than here.
 

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Well put JC, this whole thing stinks and to accuse Ken of extortion is crazy, HE DOESNT OWN THIS SITE ANYMORE, LOL, WHAT IS HE EXTORTING?
 

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Drunkguy, it is his voice on the tapes. Roberto even admitted it. If Jay would take 10 seconds out of his day he would knot that it is his voice as well. I am sure Ken would readily admit it is him or his twin. Well, that is until he got you and xpanda speaking for him.

Not sure why Shrink cannot speak for himself.

Jay you suprise me, from a guy that used to say there was no way in hell that WSEX was renewing on the RX, to, Shrink is a Saint.

Let me ask you this. Did ken show you the email he sent Kevin about having more thugs working for him than Tej?

Also, I noticed that you are working for EOG, does this cloud your judgement in anyway?

Ken is as two faced a human being that a person can be without having a seperate twin. You know that , I know that, anyone that has been subject to his bullshit knows that. So if you think that any clear thinking person is going to believe a word the man says after the Blue grass and MVP shakedowns (just the latest), you are wrong.

If you cannot really figure out why Royal is paying this guy then I give you much more credit than you deserve. They dont want Ken on his asss for the next 20 years. It would be cheaper for them to pay the 20k.

Its a sad sad day in forumville Jay.
 

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Chips, Ken is a wonderful marketer. He beleives that any press is good press. He is opening a site with Xpanda, Pete and JC. Why the Rx owners cannot see what is happening here is absolutely beyond me.

Ken must be laughing, I have to give him credit, he is getting his press which will in turn get him the RX posters to his new site.

I wonder if Marty feels the knife turning yet.
 

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Ken must be laughing, I have to give him credit, he is getting his press


Major - has it ever dawned on you that just maybe it is you who is giving Shrink his Press? First you ban him at MW, which creates more press for him then letting him post. Then you come in here and turn this issue into a "Shrink wants to promote himself at all costs issue" instead of keeping the focus on Royal, David, and why these tapes are not being verified by a neutral third party.

Lest we forget this is a dispute between David and Royal, not a Shrink Bash. In fact in my opinion it should not be all about Royal's stregnths or weaknesses past or present, but about why David has made the allegations he has, and are they true, and if they are how come he hasn't been paid.


wil.
 

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Good point Wil. Proves my point even further. Ken and gand all disappeared after the they started all this crap. Very weird. Pull and MVP at every forum then disappear when the shit hits the fan. Obviously it has nothing to do with David and Royal to the Ken gang. I give Ken credit where credit is due. His technique is second to none.

I dont mind giving Ken press, never have. Just think the owners here must be frothing at the mouth. A two year old can see what happened here.
 

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Now we see that the Almighty JC is just as agenda ridden as anyone else in this business.
 

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I entered the online Sports Forum world 5 yrs ago with no preconceived ideas re. any site or individual. I discovered the RX & MW about the same time. From the first day I could see many differences between the 2. Not the least of which was the attitude of the posters & mods. The RX for the most part was & is generally forgiving and helpful towards socalled "newbies. MW on the other tends to attack and ridicule any poster who doesn`t fit their profile. And it continues to this day your boy izerpussy or whatever he fancies himself is a rude and arrogant asshole. With a few exceptions the site is filled w/sycophants who parrot the party line. As I said this is not true of all but enough to give an adversarial tenor to the place. On the other hand you have Wil, Dante & Fish who have forgotten more about the wagering world than most of us will ever know. Yet they are never condescending or rude. This stems not only from their own qualities but in some part to the leadership Ken has shown. I go to "Covers" many times before MW as a 2nd choice. I didn`t know you had banned Ken, what a bush league move.
 
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"SHRINK IS NOT AN EXTORTIONIST"


Give me a damn break. It is quite obvious you have an agenda. How can anyone take this letter seriously when it seems you will be part of EOG.

Secondly two books come to mind when I think of extortion by Ken:

V-Wager & Bluegrass


Yeah I know some of the troops will come in & say it wasn't extortion but come on lets be real here. If you put down the RX flavored Kool Aid, you would see right through the bullshit.
 

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shrink is a xxxx xxx. why would the new owners allow him to continue to post here, and use this forum. he sold the website, he plans on staying here just to keep his name on everyones mind until his new site opens. who can't see that?
the sooner he leaves the better, that way we wont have to see him kissing everyones ass around here anymore. And why is royal in the news at the rx, i dont think one rx reader would ever send them money again. there has to be much more to this than shrink and major playing bitter enemies.

Please leave the name calling out, thank you, wilheim
 
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Major Major Major,

Funny one of your first lines is about Shrink not speaking for himself. The answer on your site is because you banned him from posting, something that is childish and completely inappropriate. If you are going to attack the man, let him defend himself. What are you afraid of?

The real question is why can't Royal speak for themselves? Were they slow paying their computer vendors, were their keyboards repossessed? It wouldn't shock me. I did not address this to you, but you prefer to make things personal instead of taking the issues head on, that's fine.

Major, did you read the first line and title of my letter? What did I say? If he bet his account down to 0, don't pay him. What part of that opinion don't you understand? It's also interesting to note that you have never spoken to the player, something you should do instead of relying on the 10 second voice mail you inadvertently erased.

The player is either telling the truth, a con man, or just completely nuts. Let's try and find out without the silly challenges. It's funny, Ken called me last night and asked what I thought of someone putting up 100K etc, the exact same thing you posted, and I told him, don't be ridiculous.

When Amit was discussing sending the tapes or the copies, when it came time to send give Amit the address, Amit changed the subject and said, "Ken, put your business hat on, who are you going to make more money from in the long term, this player or Royal?" So Shrink will have to do what he can with the wave files and the polygraph.

As for WSEX advertising on the Rx, If I had any say, WSEX would have been off both MW and the Rx a long time ago, but they obviously see some value in being on them. That's their decision.

As for me "working for EOG," that's pretty funny. I have been bamboozled into writing a weekly column which I was reluctant to do. I am not receiving any money for it. What does EOG have to do with any of this? I really don't see how this matter helps EOG. Instead of addressing the issues head on, you turn this into a Shrink/EOG/Pete/and now Jay agenda issue. I like being a knowledgeable poster, that's what I have been for the past zillion years. I like posting my thoughts where I want, when I want. If this column for EOG jeopardizes my reputation in any way or brings my integrity into question I will not do it.

I know all about the email Ken sent. It was in response to a conversation Royal had with him where they threatened him. That's all I'll say about it.

Major, who has the agenda here? Who has the conflict of interest? You are the one who has a Royal banner on your site in a permanent premium spot, you are the one who has them manage your sportsbook. If you want to look for agendas and conflicts of interest, look in the mirror. You have defended them to the death, even when the Tej news came out, which is shocking. Your position on Tej varies from he doesn't control the money to you really don't know who owns them. I can not believe that the day this news came out that you didn't call them up and insist on the whole truth.

Maybe you don't want to know the truth, maybe it's out of site, out of mind. If it were any other book you would be screaming bloody murder about Tej being involved, see your own Stockade for details. What happened to you? Do these people have something on you?

Major, Tej, Amit, or Royal,

Feel free to address any of the issues in my original letter that were omitted from Major's response. Or just keep ignoring them.
 

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As an FYI, I have been informed by Royal that copies of the tapes are en route to an attorney who will forward them for examination.

Updates will be provided as information becomes available.
 

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