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Clip Joint side note: IF Cleveland offers him a solid contract, he is gone. Sterling will not overpay for a role player. The only people he will offer up big contracts to are stars.



Editor's note: This article appears in the July 18 issue of ESPN The Magazine.

You've heard of the Players Club, Club Med, the Mile-High Club. I just became a charter member of the Cut-the-Check Club: dine with a soon-to-be-rich NBA star hours before free agency begins, and you're in. Extra points if he's about to 15-tuple his salary. If he deserves every cent that's coming, even better.

Why Cut-the-Check? Because that's what Bobby Simmons jokingly kept saying to me. Simmons is the likable Clipper who spent four seasons waiting for a door to open, then stormed through like a SWAT leader when it finally did. One Most Improved Player award later, we were sitting at the Cheesecake Factory in West Hollywood. In a few hours, lots of NBA teams would start to court him, many of them the same ones that had shunned him three years earlier.

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</TD></TR><TR><TD style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 3px; LINE-HEIGHT: 13px" width=195>[font=verdana, arial, geneva]Bobby Simmons is all smiles, now that he's about to get paid.[/font]</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>What was the worst part of playing in the NBDL?

"Everything," Simmons said. "Goin' from the NBA to there -- it was like going from a Benz to a pickup. I didn't belong there."

He shook his head in disgust, but Bobby never stays unhappy for more than two seconds.

"You know who else was tearing it up?" he asked, brightening. "Mikki Moore! We were the two best guys in the league. At the time, I was like, 'Who the hell is Mikki Moore?'"

Moore was a teammate of Simmons last year in Los Angeles.

He was laughing again. Simmons' trademark shot is a 20-footer in front of the opposing bench, followed by his turning and smiling at the players on his way back up the court. ("Guys always yell stuff when you shoot.") I attended 30 Clippers games, and not once did I see him scream at a ref. He's the guy everyone loves to play with, the guy who doesn't care about stats, the guy who does "All the Little Things." You win with guys like this. That's why -- well, other than his fantastic last name -- he was my favorite player on the team.

"I learned at a young age," Simmons says, "if somebody has something you don't have, you just have to work twice as hard to get it."

After a rough childhood on the South Side of Chicago, a Jesus Shuttlesworth-like run at Simeon High and a productive career at DePaul, Simmons received the dreaded "tweener" tag before the 2001 draft: too small to play down low, too slow for small forward.

"Meanwhile, I'm killing everybody in the workouts," he recalled. "I killed Shane Battier. I killed Brian Scalabrine. Didn't matter. I went 42."

Landing with the Wiz, Simmons impressed Michael Jordan in MJ's supersecret Chicago summer games. But Doug Collins never gave him a consistent chance, and even kept the immortal Ratko Varda instead of Simmons before the 2002-03 season (hence, the NBDL trip). When MJ was pushed out of Washington, so was everyone associated with him, including his favorite protégé -- and Bobby was back to square one.

But as he will point out, "I've seen my family struggle my entire life. It can't get worse than that."

The Clips signed Simmons as a defensive stopper in 2003, and then he caught a break when they traded for Kerry Kittles and his bum knee last summer. When Kittles did his annual DL stint, Simmons had a starting job and a coach, Mike Dunleavy, who believed in him. He started making jumpers and Clips fans started bringing "WE LOVE BOBBY" signs to games. Just like that, he was worth $45-50 million.

Now he might be leaving Cali. He loved the guys on last year's team, thinks they're headed somewhere, thinks Shaun Livingston can be special. And he loves the fans. He absolutely doesn't want to move on. But he's not taking a discount to stay, either. Not after making $2.1 million total over the past four years. If the notoriously cheap Clippers lowball him -- which seems inevitable -- he'll look for a winner with deep pockets.

"Cut the check!" he giggled again.

I paid ours and we walked outside. The sun was shining -- another beautiful day in California. Bobby was heading home to wait by the phone. His whole life was about to change. Every drop of sweat was about to pay off.

"You sure you want to leave this?" I asked, waving a hand at the blue sky and the gorgeous women. "You could be freezing your butt off in Cleveland or Milwaukee next year."

"That's fine," he replied. "As long as somebody wants me, I don't really care where I go."

We shook hands. I thought about wishing him luck, but Bobby didn't need any more luck. He was cashing in. So instead, I said, "Congratulations."

"Thank you," Simmons said. "I appreciate it."

And with that, the Cut-the-Check Club adjourned for the summer.

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I JUST read that...he deserves every penny he gets. It's a shame my Wizards let him go, the guy just flat-out produces. Did in limited opportunites here, did it in a big way with the Clips, will do it wherever he lands. A friend of mine met him and chilled w/him for a couple hours once too, at a bar in D.C...said he was the nicest guy. Roxyguy needs to get those digits.
 

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What is the max you would want to give this guy? I think you highly overrate him. Granted he is an extraordinary mid-range and now even pretty good from the corner 3 point range, he isn't much of a creator, although Maggette takes care of most of that I understand. He doesn't seem like a guy worth more than 4 million or so to me. Paying him anything more than the mid-cap exception would be foolish IMO.
 

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Bobby Simmons, Quentin Richardson, Stephen Hunter...how did that DePaul team not even have a .500 record? :icon_conf
 

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What is the max you would want to give this guy? I think you highly overrate him. Granted he is an extraordinary mid-range and now even pretty good from the corner 3 point range, he isn't much of a creator, although Maggette takes care of most of that I understand. He doesn't seem like a guy worth more than 4 million or so to me. Paying him anything more than the mid-cap exception would be foolish IMO.

I don't think I have him overrated...I think he is a great 3rd option. I'm not saying he is a star or could carry a team. He is the ideal perimeter role player though and those are valuable.

I don't think we will overpay for him, but this is one case I wish we would. If he is gone, our lineup begins to look like the Clippers of old. He isn't deserving of a big time contract yet, but he is a player that teams need and because there isn't much out there this year, he will get a pretty nice contract.

How many 3rd options in the league can put up these kind of numbers:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=772 border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#aaaaa4><TD align=left>YEAR</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>MIN</TD><TD>FG</TD><TD>FG%</TD><TD>3P</TD><TD>3P%</TD><TD>FT</TD><TD>FT%</TD><TD>STL</TD><TD>BLK</TD><TD>TO</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>OFF</TD><TD>DEF</TD><TD>TOT</TD><TD>AST</TD><TD>PTS</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left> 2004-2005</TD><TD align=right>75</TD><TD align=right>74</TD><TD align=right>37.3</TD><TD align=right>6.3-13.6</TD><TD align=right>.466</TD><TD align=right>0.7-1.5</TD><TD align=right>.435</TD><TD align=right>3.1-3.6</TD><TD align=right>.846</TD><TD align=right>1.41</TD><TD align=right>0.2</TD><TD align=right>1.8</TD><TD align=right>3.0</TD><TD align=right>1.7</TD><TD align=right>4.2</TD><TD align=right>5.9</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>16.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
16 pts, 6 rebs, 43.5% 3's, 46.6% FG, 84.6% FTs
 

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Simmons does everything well, but nothing exceptionally well. This is not a knock on him though, not too many guys do everything well.
 

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Clip Joint said:
I don't think I have him overrated...I think he is a great 3rd option. I'm not saying he is a star or could carry a team. He is the ideal perimeter role player though and those are valuable.

I don't think we will overpay for him, but this is one case I wish we would. If he is gone, our lineup begins to look like the Clippers of old. He isn't deserving of a big time contract yet, but he is a player that teams need and because there isn't much out there this year, he will get a pretty nice contract.

How many 3rd options in the league can put up these kind of numbers:

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 width=772 border=0><TBODY><TR align=right bgColor=#aaaaa4><TD align=left>YEAR</TD><TD>G</TD><TD>GS</TD><TD>MIN</TD><TD>FG</TD><TD>FG%</TD><TD>3P</TD><TD>3P%</TD><TD>FT</TD><TD>FT%</TD><TD>STL</TD><TD>BLK</TD><TD>TO</TD><TD>PF</TD><TD>OFF</TD><TD>DEF</TD><TD>TOT</TD><TD>AST</TD><TD>PTS</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#ecece4><TD align=left>2004-2005</TD><TD align=right>75</TD><TD align=right>74</TD><TD align=right>37.3</TD><TD align=right>6.3-13.6</TD><TD align=right>.466</TD><TD align=right>0.7-1.5</TD><TD align=right>.435</TD><TD align=right>3.1-3.6</TD><TD align=right>.846</TD><TD align=right>1.41</TD><TD align=right>0.2</TD><TD align=right>1.8</TD><TD align=right>3.0</TD><TD align=right>1.7</TD><TD align=right>4.2</TD><TD align=right>5.9</TD><TD align=right>2.7</TD><TD align=right>16.4</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
16 pts, 6 rebs, 43.5% 3's, 46.6% FG, 84.6% FTs

Yes is is solid don't get me wrong but if they sign him to a 5 year 35 million deal or something, I think it would be drastically overpaying for a guy that doesn't excel at creating his own offense or passing. He does play pretty good defense too, which they also need on that team.
 

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royalfan said:
Yes is is solid don't get me wrong but if they sign him to a 5 year 35 million deal or something, I think it would be drastically overpaying for a guy that doesn't excel at creating his own offense or passing. He does play pretty good defense too, which they also need on that team.

They really aren't looking for him to create his own shot though. He is valuable because of all the other things he does well.

If Michael Redd gets 6 years/$95 million, Bobby Simmons is definitely going to get more than $35 million/5 years. At least, he would deserve more than that in comparison.
 

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You are correct about deserving that compared to Redd's ridiculously overblown contract, but I don't think he should be paid that under any other logic though.
 

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When the playoffs roll around you need your point, two and three men to all be able to score in a variety of ways, not just catching and shooting. That is they main reason I wouldn't pay him that. I would be trying to attain a championship, not just be a good regular season club. Defenses are much lazier in the regular season and ball reversal and such can get many open looks for a catch and shoot guy but playing long series is a whole different animal.
 

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royalfan said:
When the playoffs roll around you need your point, two and three men to all be able to score in a variety of ways, not just catching and shooting. That is they main reason I wouldn't pay him that. I would be trying to attain a championship, not just be a good regular season club. Defenses are much lazier in the regular season and ball reversal and such can get many open looks for a catch and shoot guy but playing long series is a whole different animal.

The trouble the Clippers have is that they don't have a true SG...but at the same time, Simmons isn't a true SF. He and Maggette are a great combo because Maggette is the slasher and shot creator.

There aren't many teams that have a well rounded 1, 2, and 3 scoring option as Brand in the post, Maggette as the slasher, and Simmons as the spot up shooter. Simmons also has a nice post game.

Obviously throwing Allen in the spot of Simmons would have been an upgrade, but Simmons is in the ideal role with the Clippers. Plus he is a great defender.
 

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Clip Joint said:
The trouble the Clippers have is that they don't have a true SG...but at the same time, Simmons isn't a true SF. He and Maggette are a great combo because Maggette is the slasher and shot creator.

There aren't many teams that have a well rounded 1, 2, and 3 scoring option as Brand in the post, Maggette as the slasher, and Simmons as the spot up shooter. Simmons also has a nice post game.

Obviously throwing Allen in the spot of Simmons would have been an upgrade, but Simmons is in the ideal role with the Clippers. Plus he is a great defender.

Still don't forgive him for missing that open layup at the end of the Jazz game this year. :sad3:
 

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Speaking of Brand he strikes me as another player that would tend to struggle with the intensity of the playoffs, not because he wouldn't be able to rise up effort wise as we know he would do that. I just can't picture him scoring consistently when the intensity is increased against Duncan, or the Wallace boys.
 

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Speaking of Brand he strikes me as another player that would tend to struggle with the intensity of the playoffs, not because he wouldn't be able to rise up effort wise as we know he would do that. I just can't picture him scoring consistently when the intensity is increased against Duncan, or the Wallace boys.

I am not sold on Brand being a go to guy. He is a hard worker and a savage for his size, but he just not big enough. It still amazes me that he gets so many double/doubles and over 2 blocks a game.

He is the premier offensive rebounder in the game right now. He averages 4.2 offensive rebounds a game in his career. That is pretty amazing. He is a scrapper.
 

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I am not sold on Brand being a go to guy. He is a hard worker and a savage for his size, but he just not big enough. It still amazes me that he gets so many double/doubles and over 2 blocks a game.

He is the premier offensive rebounder in the game right now. He averages 4.2 offensive rebounds a game in his career. That is pretty amazing. He is a scrapper.

Yes he is a warrior, no doubt about that.
 

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SHIIITE! How can you say Bobby deserves that sort of money. That is basically Q money and boy do you like to call him overrated. Very similar style players, neither deserves $7 mil per.
 

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