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I have always said i am a stubborn old goat, who has very little patience for gimmicks and things that set off red flags in my brain. People hate me for that. But in this online gambling world, you will have a very short life span if you go believing everything you read and jumping on every band wagon even when there is no clear objective as to what the heck you are trying to achieve!!!

Case and point, this new "flava of da month" book called mansion that every one is raving about! I didnt really give a ratsass about this book until some one from covers dared me to find some dirt on the book because i was warning people to go do some research before buying into hype from some poster with questionable motives. This is what i came up with from TOW!!!! Its an old article from 2004 but speaks volumes as to the potential mine field people might be walking into with the backing of several Rx members who seemingly cant provide any genuine reasons as to the claims they make (outside of the fact that they too are members of the book. I guess some people might take comfort in knowing that if this this thing explodes in their faces then they will go down with other members of this forum)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TH align=left VALGIN="TOP">IAS/Canbet and Mansion at War!</TH></TR><TR><TD align=left VALGIN="TOP">While busy with our due diligence on Mansion we have come across relevant information concerning the ongoing war between IAS/Canbet and Canbet's former management now working within Mansion's organization.



The note that IAS/Canbet sent to all customers last October 5th triggered our attention, in particular these two statements:

"Firstly, the former management team that was responsible for Canbet's poor business practice and performance has been removed with a new management structure taking over and generating improved results. Canbet's loss-making deals, arrangements and partnerships have been terminated. (The previous failed management has been dispersed most of which are now employed by the bookmaking company Mansions)."

"No Canbet debt has been transferred to the merged entity."

While the first passage represents a quiet unique attack to Canbet's past management and indirectly to Mansion, the second one is the most relevant for its repercussion.

IAS has basically dumped all previous debts, primarily with agents and promoters, on the shoulders of the failed team. This basically implies that creditors will hardly see their money.

But going back to the first statement, the unique attack, TOW has investigated the reasons behind it.

What we have uncovered is somewhat bizarre. When IAS came to the rescue of failed Canbet, the rescuer performed a deep audit of the number to understand why Canbet's reputable turnover (handle) didn't translate into profit (hold).

IAS found out that Canbet's management (now with Mansion) had entered into unaffordable marketing deals and had mismanaged the book bringing it on the verge of bankruptcy.

Subsequently IAS axle fell on Canbet's management. A couple of months later the same management showed up in Gibraltar and started Mansion, and here is where the problem begins.

IAS decides to change Canbet's business module and switches to 110. Two days later the full Canbet's database receives an invitation mail from....Mansion, now dealing 105.

In the following two weeks Canbet loses nearly 60% of its customers (the majority of which migrated to Mansion) and experiences massive withdrawals, money that flows out of Canbet and primarily flows into Mansion. IAS is then left with a greatly downsized Canbet. More than a reason to declare war to Mansion, now accused of being built on a theft.

It has taken us more than three weeks to verify the veracity of this story and, regretfully for Mansion, we have found substantiation to the above mentioned reconstruction of the chain of events.

Bottom line is that Mansion, although being backed by an extremely wealthy investor, is apparently built on a failed business model and run by the same management that had already failed with the same business plan.

The next question is how long will it take to Mansion's backer to realize the likelihood of facing a long streak of losses and how long will he be willing to support this losing proposition but, most important is.... will there be another savior at the end of the road or Mansion's customers will follow the tragic destiny that Canbet reserved to its agents and vendors but not (only thanks to IAS) to its players?

A secondary, and final question, is: will the pending debt of the failed Canbet haunt in any way its former management, now with Mansion?

Based on the findings during our due diligence we have rated Mansion 3 (High Risk Book) and, given the information gathered, we do not encourage players to sign up with this book at this time.




http://www.theoffshorewire.com/articleView.aspx?AID=255


Now this is an article from 10/2004, but i feel it provides very solid pertinent information to the kind of situation people may be walking into here...

Be very careful signing up for books like this (as is recommend by TOW) and dont do things because XXXX said its a smart move. One thing you can be very positive of, is the fact that no one of this board will reimburse whatever money you "may" lose joining this book!!!

Those are the facts let people decide what to do for themselves




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miked429 said:
whats the point?:monsters-

Dont worry your pretty little head. If the point flew right over you, i am sure most people with a little bit of intelligence will take whatever bit of advice they can find within and do with it as they please.:103631605 :103631605 :103631605
 

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Another stupid Red Chimp post attempting to discredit a book he has never had any dealings with. Sharp post Chimp
 

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Another stupid Red Chimp post attempting to discredit a book he has never had any dealings with. Sharp post Chimp

the famed royal shill shows up!!! i was wondering when you would post up you b/s comments....Good thing people are educated enough to read for themselves.

And they can see no one is trying to discredit anyone...Passing along very important information as was printed by TOW...My posting it does not mean i have any ulterior motives like you.


Very funny how the truth makes some people act!!!!:lolBIG:
 

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Roberto is WRONG 99.14 % of the time. He is a master manipulator whose only goal is too make money FOR HIMSELF and not too help others. :)
 

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redpimp said:
the famed royal shill shows up!!! i was wondering when you would post up you b/s comments....Good thing people are educated enough to read for themselves.

And they can see no one is trying to discredit anyone...Passing along very important information as was printed by TOW...My posting it does not mean i have any ulterior motives like you.


Very funny how the truth makes some people act!!!!:lolBIG:

Chimp, you may want to listen to some of these guys. Sounds like Mansion is the real deal. Old dog try some new tricks. You may like it. From what I have hear the exchange offeres the lowest juice in the land. Low juice works for me.
 

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Roberto is WRONG 99.14 % of the time. He is a master manipulator whose only goal is too make money FOR HIMSELF and not too help others. :)

So are you saying that the management of mansion are not the same people who worked over at canbet? Are you saying that the same business model employed at canbet is not the same being used at Mansion? The whole point of my starting this thread is so i could get some truth about this issue. Please post your facts so that all may be able to compare and decide where the truth is..

Me i am totally indifferent. I have nothing to lose or gain. I am not transfering money to mansion or any other book for that matter because i am happy with my current books. But we are on a public forum where information is shared. Please feel free to post your findings. thanks
 

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redpimp said:
the famed royal shill shows up!!! i was wondering when you would post up you b/s comments....QUOTE]

Can I be the Mansion shill now too. Never played there but if Chimp says it it must be true.

Seems like people throw the word shill around here a lot, especially the old clown. I wish I could get a book to pay me other than deposit bonuses but I don't think that's going to happen too often.
 

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Stickie said:
redpimp said:
the famed royal shill shows up!!! i was wondering when you would post up you b/s comments....QUOTE]

Can I be the Mansion shill now too. .


you can be whatever you want butterboy!!! this is a america!!!!

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a book stealing another books customer database.jesus christ i have never heard of such a thing in the offshore sportsbook industry before.whoa
 

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miked429 said:
a book stealing another books customer database.jesus christ i have never heard of such a thing in the offshore sportsbook industry before.whoa

aahh!!!! looks like the clouds of confusion are finally clearing up for our special friend. Its good that you can now understand a line or two out of the whole
article from TOW!!!!! Impressive man!!! impressive!:103631605 :103631605 :103631605
 

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You're not serious are you? You want to know where Roberto has Mansion rated right now?

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Mansion from 7 to 9


A NINE...do you know what a 9 is at TOW (hint: it's out of 10)? Again this is Roberto's site so grain of salt (he still makes me chuckle though).

sb


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You're not serious are you? You want to know where Roberto has Mansion rated right now?

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Upgrades

Mansion from 7 to 9


A NINE...do you know what a 9 is at TOW (hint: it's out of 10)? Again this is Roberto's site so grain of salt (he still makes me chuckle though).

sb




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Like i said please post your facts if you have them. People are always willing to look at both sides of any situation to find out the facts. Up till now all i am getting are curses, insults, (even one guy who totally stalks all my posts chimed in with his worthless comments)

Please post the facts update us on the issues and let us figure out where the truth lies.


Ps..Similar comments have been made by people about a known scamming book that still advertises on this forum. I can only assume people read about it, know the risk then make up their minds whether to play or not right?
 

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Like i said please post your facts if you have them. People are always willing to look at both sides of any situation to find out the facts. Up till now all i am getting are curses, insults, (even one guy who totally stalks all my posts chimed in with his worthless comments)

Please post the facts update us on the issues and let us figure out where the truth lies.

:lolBIG:

The fact is, you tried to use an article from 2004...the same guy whose "due diligence" you seem to have trusted and based your opinion from, now rates them a premier book. There are your facts.
 

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If you're going to post an article from 10/04 that obviously has been proven inaccurate since its printing (hence the rating of a 9 currently at TOW) why not the follow up info? You're using outdated and opinionated information as your only source of information.

You need to ask Roberto about that article...it's his site and his article. I'm sure he'd be happy to set you straight. :103631605 When I write an article praising Mansion about how great they are you can post that too. :103631605

10/04...:lolBIG:

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:lolBIG:

The fact is, you tried to use an article from 2004...the same guy whose "due diligence" you seem to have trusted and based your opinion from, now rates them a premier book. There are your facts.

i dont see how that disputes any of the facts in the article. Actually TOw rep has regularly posted on this site too on very many issues. Since you didnt dismiss those, your argument still makes no sense.

Either he is a liar (and subsequently is lying about the current ranking) or he is not.... Either way the facts posted in the article are yet to be challenged by any one!!!

Please feel free to enlighten us!
 

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Please feel free to enlighten us!

You might want to get "Hooked on Phonics". I posted a detailed first hand post for you detailing my own personal experience there.
 

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