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John McCain, John Warner or Lindsey Graham . . . are giving the White House fits with their attempt to get legislation approved that would expressly prohibit cruel, inhumane or degrading treatment of detainees in U.S. custody.

There was a dramatic encounter during the floor debate last week when Senator Jeff Sessions, a Republican from Alabama, spoke out against the legislation, saying there was no need for it because, as he put it, the detainees are not prisoners of war, "they are terrorists."

Senator McCain, of Arizona, argued that the debate "is not about who they are. It's about who we are." Americans, said Mr. McCain, "hold ourselves" to a higher standard.

. . . That such an initiative would come from high-ranking, hawkish Republicans is extraordinary, and the White House is not happy about it. In addition to prohibiting cruel and degrading treatment, the legislation would restrict military interrogation techniques to those authorized in a new Army field manual.

. . . The White House has fought intensely, but so far unsuccessfully, against this revolt in the usually steadfast Republican ranks. Vice President Dick Cheney, in a meeting with Senators Warner, McCain and Graham, said the legislation would interfere with President Bush's ability to fight terrorism. He was not able to change their minds.

Unable to fend off the amendments, the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist, put off further consideration of the defense bill until September. Senator McCain and his allies will try to build further support for the amendments during that period. The White House has threatened to veto the defense bill if the amendments are approved.


We know BushCo is pro-torture. Is the entire GOP? Is the Religious Right?
 

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Judge Wapner said:
Start up the Rove machine against John.
Been done Judge. Bush and the Repuglicans defending torture, should make for a great campaign ad;
Republicans, Approving and Utilizing Torture Since The Turn Of The Century
Its The American Way
 

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JinnRikki said:
Been done Judge. Bush and the Repuglicans defending torture, should make for a great campaign ad;
Republicans, Approving and Utilizing Torture Since The Turn Of The Century
Its The American Way


Torture is appropriate in these situation. Expressed differently; Torture is nice and should suffice!


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Let's see, on one hand I have McCain, a Veteran that's served time as a POW, saying torture is wrong and beneath Americans.
Then I have Coldweather, poster of dubious credibility defending torture. Decisions, decisions.:think2:
 

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Hell, just forget about Geneva or any of those hip documents on rules of conduct.....

Call everybody a terrorist, we twist thier heads off and they just use a machete and start sawin'....
 

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How many here would "torture" a person to find their kidnapped wife and children alive if time was of an essence?
 

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Sam Odom said:
How many here would "torture" a person to find their kidnapped wife and children alive if time was of an essence?

and how many hear would like american troops tortured???
 

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"This isn't Kansas anymore"

If torturing a few dozen murders can prevent another 9/11 or worse, the USA govt not only has the 'right' but the obligation to do so. Sad isn't it, but true.
 

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I'd say McCain has earned the right to have his opinion counted on this issue. Bush, Cheney, Rove have NOT.
 

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also, you ask the majority of experts and they say torture is a bad way to get information....you don't know if you are getting good intel or bad....
 

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919 said:
also, you ask the majority of experts and they say torture is a bad way to get information....you don't know if you are getting good intel or bad....

Depends on how you ask and what you ask for and the method of "torture."
 

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Sam Odom said:
"This isn't Kansas anymore"

If torturing a few dozen murders can prevent another 9/11 or worse, the USA govt not only has the 'right' but the obligation to do so. Sad isn't it, but true.
WRONG! You, me and 100 9/11's happening does not make torture and the loss of America correct! Without our ideals, we stand for nothing, I repeat nothing! Therefore if we get whacked standing for nothing it is not a great loss to our lost legacy of Dubya and the almost-possibly lost forever 'America'!
 
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Rove is an expert on torture ...

Hell, just ask McClellan or Jeff Gannon how much it hurts when Rove bends em over in the Lincoln bedroom !

"Ohhhh, Turd Bloosom .... treat me like you do with Right Winger and make my ass understand the true meaning of "spreading Democracy "
 

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CAPN CRUNCH said:
WRONG!...Without our ideals, we stand for nothing, I repeat nothing!

That sounds good in a classroom, but welcome to the real world, Capn.
 

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Sam Odom said:
How many here would "torture" a person to find their kidnapped wife and children alive if time was of an essence?

Capn, answer this question, please.
 

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