Most definately true tinnco.I am curios about any new info on esb as them shutting down would be nice , so i was really implying them. But my history is this. I started with offshore books long ago in which esb was my first book and paid by check regularily.Eventually i didnt get paid as it went on for months as i was hoping that it was just a slow pay,but is was a nopay.After that i started going online for the first time and just typed in watchdogs**as OSGA came up. They have a phone number and i started using a few of there books. I did not know about the forums and just trusted what JIM at the osga gave me for info.,as it was the only info i ever recieved and i thought highly of it. I did use a good number of there books for a while with some problems with a few.The ones i tested were 1.players super book 2.Olympic 3. Vip 4. BetUS 5. SBG global 6.Royal 7.BetWWTS . After problems with a few of them i searched on the internet more and found some forums...And here i stand gathering info and having some fun with some threads. With more in between and about 5 other books i used.I would be glad to discuss the problems i had and at what books if anyone would be interested , but i let it and moved on at the time as i saw no real help. But a few of the top books i have not used yet and would like to try especially pinnacle and 5dimes for football..