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I want to make my position very clear. Fishhead is my Moderator and the only person that I have authorized to settle this dispute with BCN. I will settle for nothing less than full restoration of all my wagers. No 50/1 or 15/1 or anything else. Who gave Major the right to compromise my wagers ? Fishhead has tried his best and I think He has done a great job but Eric at BCN doesn't want to admit that He screwed up as He wants to try to blame everyone else. No one is buying it !
 

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They won't re-instate it now. They've already damaged their reputation beyond repair, I wouldn't even trust them to pay should it win. Time to fold up and get a new name.
 

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Sorry but I have to side with the 30-50 to 1 odds instead of your original odds. It seemed to be an obvious error if you ask me. I will give them credit for this: At least they didnt wait 1 month or so before canceling the wager. 1 -2 days is not bad with over 2 months left in season. The odds of you getting your original 100 to 1 are slim to none. And do you really want those odds???? I mean if you win, then they cant afford to even pay off your bet! They have like 10 active customers! Take what you can get! At least they didnt steal your money and leave you high and dry like BETONSPORTS can do a player who they feel is a pro!
 

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DougJ said:
They won't re-instate it now. They've already damaged their reputation beyond repair, I wouldn't even trust them to pay should it win. Time to fold up and get a new name.
100 % correct I'm sure !
 

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Sorry but I have to side with the 30-50 to 1 odds instead of your original odds. It seemed to be an obvious error if you ask me. I will give them credit for this: At least they didnt wait 1 month or so before canceling the wager. 1 -2 days is not bad with over 2 months left in season. The odds of you getting your original 100 to 1 are slim to none. And do you really want those odds???? I mean if you win, then they cant afford to even pay off your bet! They have like 10 active customers! Take what you can get! At least they didnt steal your money and leave you high and dry like BETONSPORTS can do a player who they feel is a pro!
With as few wagers as they do have coming in, How could they not see these wagers ? No excuse .And of all the wagers they did have coming in over that three day period half of them was on the A's. I can agree with you if this was done the same day, but it was almost 3 days later. Then they changed the odds a few times. They were just sleeping. Plus whats wrong with them buying up some money on the A's themselves. I've had to do that a few times when my position is not looking good. All Gamblers have to hedge once in awhile. The Bookmaker is no different
 

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I hope that what The Major says about you is not true, that you have pulled this shit before with other books. If so, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You ruin it for the honest bettors.

I have been playing offshore for 10 years, since before most people even knew what the internet was, probably with 100 different books. I have never once had any dispute, over thousands and thousands of wagers. NOT ONE.

I do think (and have stated it many times on the forums) that these bets should be honored. At the same time, you guys look like frigggin idiots continuously starting threads like this. You were also in the wrong. BCN screwed up and should be punished, but shot takers like yoursleves are to blame for half the bad shit that happens in this industry.
 

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I hope that what The Major says about you is not true, that you have pulled this shit before with other books. If so, you should be ashamed of yourselves. You ruin it for the honest bettors.

I have been playing offshore for 10 years, since before most people even knew what the internet was, probably with 100 different books. I have never once had any dispute, over thousands and thousands of wagers. NOT ONE.

I do think (and have stated it many times on the forums) that these bets should be honored. At the same time, you guys look like frigggin idiots continuously starting threads like this. You were also in the wrong. BCN screwed up and should be punished, but shot takers like yoursleves are to blame for half the bad shit that happens in this industry.
I've also been doing this for several years with no problems. The only difference between you and me is I'm a roadblock for him, I'm a problem for him because I'm telling the truth. First time I have ever been accused of something like this. No I didn't call in to see if the Wager was correct, and most people wouldn't either. I expect them to do their job, just like I'm doing mine. I can't and won't do both.They should have more recources then me, or they shouldn't be in this business. I have enough to do. BCN could have layed off the action somewhere else with no problem. If what your saying is true that you have been around, then you like myself have been in similar circumstances, when you just have to hedge out of your position. The so called " Gang ", didn't cause 100k in liability, well if they had some common sense it wouldn't be 100k, It should have been 3k to hedge out of their position. It goes on all of the time. They don't belong in this business. can you imagine a refutable Shop or Vegas for that matter crying over this.
 

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A supposed "stale line" is never a voidable "bad line". Ever. It's that simple. A bad line is a typographical error (+5 instead of -5; +200 instead of -200; O/U 73 insteaf of 37, etc).
 

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red eye, have you been in this kind of position with questionable lines before?
 

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drunkguy said:
red eye, have you been in this kind of position with questionable lines before?
First time ! We have explained the Bodog Boxing situation . Not a bad line , problem was the grading of the wager. No mediation, water under the Bridge. I have been asked to play elsewhere by My Bookie but they don't like winners over there. No Bad lines there, just they didn't like my Hot streak I guess. No mediation there either
 

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Can I got out from under my Twins play at -110 to win Division. of course not
 

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I am not accusing you of anything, but just curious about this staement from the Major:

After further investigation into this player and his partner, we discovered that this seems to be a rather regular occurrence. I was contacted by two Sportsbook’s who informed me that this was a very typical method these two use in day to day practice. Find a stale/bad future, bet it in small increments so they stay under the radar, then go to the forums if the bad line is not honored. After searching the forums, this would be most certainly the case.


Do you believe this staement to be false?
 
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Where does that leave me? I popped it for limit, and pretty much go alone on these futures.

Best Wishes...oF:howdy:
 

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You are in the RIGHT KERMIT!! 1000% no question,,,,

BCN is a Bunch of PUNKazzed Welchers,,, Thieves,,,

They Stole your Play,,,,

the line WASENT BAD,,,,

they Didnt Move it,,, thats what they have LIENSMAN for,,, to CHECK and BALANCE,,,, so WTF happend??? why in 3 Days and Several Plays was it not Balanced???

Their Fault,,,,, not YOurs,,,,,

Good luck,, and Reguardless if you "pulled this shit before" like Drunk Guy says,,,, it really doesnt matter what you pulled before,,, you Scouted and Found the Best slowest line,,, thats what you do to make money,,,, that is our JOB,,and BAITING us or SLOW LINE moving is THEIR JOB,,,

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drunkguy said:
I am not accusing you of anything, but just curious about this staement from the Major:




Do you believe this staement to be false?
No doubt in my mind its false.Never have been to a FORUM of any kind to discuss or argue a bad line. Can't possibly imagine what the F**K this loser is talking about !!Or for that matter have a sportsbook contact me about one. I had a play awhile back cancelled on a hockey future overa t Royal. Talked to him on the phone for a half hour, great CS IMO and thanked him for his time and that was the end of it. Nothing in the forum and I still support Royal which is a unpopular opinion here.Doing this on a day to day practice, I don't get hat. I don't play futures on a day to day practice. Bet in small increments, don't get that. What is he saying here that If I bet small, I'm labeled some kind of Scammer, don't quite understand that either. If I bet small on a future what am I really doing ? Probably not sure if I really like the Wager. maybe if a team keeps winning Like the A's I bet a little more.I just wish that BCN would have to come on one of these Forums and explain their position as much as Kermit and I have. After awhile I'm going to say enough is enough, believe what you F**K'N want, who gives a shit. I've mentioned it a few times, I would take a lie detector to everything i have said and would pass wiht flying colors. Minor wouldn't do that
 

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How pathetic is it anyway when this MOM and POP shop is grabbing the empty box of friggin Kleenex when they could have been hedging their plays themselves. Like I and everyone else that plays futures. Wake Up, you hedge futures!!Just one big bunch of sissys over there. WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ,they don't play fair , WAHHHHHHHHHH,they are bullies, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHH,they must be in a gang or somthin, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH,there cheaters, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHI'm going to take my Ball and go home, WAHHHHHHHHHH, WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, I want my MOMMA,you bunch of losers still hiding in the closet over there. No you can't come out and play, its over go home
 

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Again, no doubt the wagers should be lived, but the folks involved in the wagers had a tingly feeling about it when punching that ticket and also checked frequently to see if they still stood or not. I can guarantee you this all happened. It was somewhat of a shot. They knew it was a stale line not a bad line and new going in that it being cancelled was a strong possiblity. Once again though, I am not condoning the cancellation just stating facts. It was a bad line in some way shape or form, there is not questioning that.
 
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I had a bad feeling when they moved it from 100-1 to 90-1 no doubt. I just got done reading the thread at majorwager, never been there before, even in his own backyard Major Shithead is getting crucified. Strangely, just Red Eye And Kermit, the quieter of the FROG trio took a slanderous beating, which did not stick either. But I would think they got banned because they ran out of bad things to say about them. OF was just left out. I never bet $20. I never told anyone anything. I just put my plays up in the thread. Major Shithead's article in the front is a total joke, and his own members call him on that also. I thought there was just a bunch of loser mushes like J.J. Gold, but there are some good posters there. Some names I recognize from other places. But from what I read, not one poster agreed with the Major, not one, at his own place. Back to my Major Shithead is a poor businessman. He loses a ton of credibility, backing shitbook BCN, who probably won't have a pot to piss in after this. Any advertisement dollars from them? Talk about zeros. They offer some idiotic lines at the time from Bodog and VIP. You can take that 15-1 and place it where the sun don't shine. Nobody buys the typo error, which Major S. promotes and endorses. Nobody buys the line was bad, so all moves were bad. What a crock, almost as bad as Eric's jokey letter. Major, the entire offshoreworld is laughing, at you. You wrapped your arms around BCN, the stickiest tarbaby of all. Now you are all black, sticky and tarred. Your own readers are feathering you. Only a true Shithead would back an obvious shitbook like BCN, and ruin themselves in the process. You dumfuck.

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