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The Cubs have 2 bats on their entire roster...Lee and Ramirez. When they hit, they win. When they don't, they can't win. It is that simple.

The Cubs are 29-16 when Lee has an RBI and 34-15 when Ramirez drives in at least one run:

When Lee has at least one RBI: 29-16 (64.4%)
When Lee doesn't drive in a run: 27-44 (38.0%)

When Ramirez has at least one RBI: 34-15 (69.4%)
When Ramirez doesn't drive in a run: 22-45 (32.8%)

Throw any manager you want in that dugout...it won't matter. Until they add some offense to support these two, they are the only 2 players that matter.

The stats don't lie...
 

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Same could be said for Pujols, A-rod, and any other star of this game.
 

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Prove it...I'm willing to bet the Cards win more than 35% of their games without Pujols driving in a run.
 

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At the end of the day all that matters is that Dusty and the Underacheiving Cubs have once again beaten the over-rated LaRussa and Cards. How can the great Tony LaRussa be 2-5 against this crappy Cubs team?
 

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mrpotter1 said:
Same could be said for Pujols, A-rod, and any other star of this game.

St. Louis is 36-19 when Pujols drives in a run. They are 37-24 when he does not.

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It's called more talent...
 

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St. Louis is 36-19 when Pujols drives in a run. They are 37-24 when he does not.

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It's called more talent...

The more talented team may lose a game here or there but they don't lose 5 out of 7. Fact is that in a head to head battle, Dusty outmanaged Tony. I agree that does not mean he is a better manager.
 

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The more talented team may lose a game here or there but they don't lose 5 out of 7. Fact is that in a head to head battle, Dusty outmanaged Tony. I agree that does not mean he is a better manager.

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So you are saying the Cubs are more talented than St. Louis?
 

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Clip Joint said:
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So you are saying the Cubs are more talented than St. Louis?

My point was that on talent alone the Cards should have a winning record vs. the Cubs. Since they do not, that must mean that Dusty outmanaged Tony.
 

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My point was that on talent alone the Cards should have a winning record vs. the Cubs. Since they do not, that must mean that Dusty outmanaged Tony.

I agree...and also believe LaRussa is the most overrated manager in baseball. Look at the talent on the teams he has won with. It is ridiculous. Even his gay antics to get attention like he is actually "helping" his team are pointless. He could bat his pitchers leadoff if he wanted to and still win.

He had the most talent with the A's teams...and now with the Cardinals.

My only point was talent wins...not managers. Dusty may not be a great manager, but he is far from a terrible one. He's a racist idiot...but he has won with teams with far less talent than his opponents for years.

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True over the course of a regular season, talent wins the games but in the playoffs, managing can mean the difference in making it to the next level. This was evident in last year's playoffs when Larussa totally outmanaged Phil Garner and the Astros. The Astros had the lead and were 2 innings away from making it to the World Series. With Lidge already used, he should have went with Oswalt to pitch the last two innings but instead with 2 unproven relievers. When you're this close to the World Series, you have to close it out with your best. Garner said there was always tommorrow's game 7 but everyone knows anything can happen in a Game 7. That decision proved mighty costly for the Astros franchise.
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True over the course of a regular season, talent wins the games but in the playoffs, managing can mean the difference in making it to the next level. This was evident in last year's playoffs when Larussa totally outmanaged Phil Garner and the Astros. The Astros had the lead and were 2 innings away from making it to the World Series. With Lidge already used, he should have went with Oswalt to pitch the last two innings but instead with 2 unproven relievers. When you're this close to the World Series, you have to close it out with your best. Garner said there was always tommorrow's game 7 but everyone knows anything can happen in a Game 7. That decision proved mighty costly for the Astros franchise.
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Phil Garner has never been accused of being a great manager.:lolBIG:
 

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I agree...and also believe LaRussa is the most overrated manager in baseball. Look at the talent on the teams he has won with. It is ridiculous. Even his gay antics to get attention like he is actually "helping" his team are pointless. He could bat his pitchers leadoff if he wanted to and still win.

He had the most talent with the A's teams...and now with the Cardinals.

My only point was talent wins...not managers. Dusty may not be a great manager, but he is far from a terrible one. He's a racist idiot...but he has won with teams with far less talent than his opponents for years.

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Totally agree with you. Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Mike Ditka, Jimmy Johnson all are coaches that have been given too much credit for winning with incredibly talented teams. Riley failed in Miami, Ditka failed in NO, Johnson failed in Miami, and Jackson ran from the Lakers when he knew he couldn't win with that team.
 

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Totally agree with you. Pat Riley, Phil Jackson, Mike Ditka, Jimmy Johnson all are coaches that have been given too much credit for winning with incredibly talented teams. Riley failed in Miami, Ditka failed in NO, Johnson failed in Miami, and Jackson ran from the Lakers when he knew he couldn't win with that team.

I couldn't agree more...I was actually impressed that Jackson took the Lakers job this season without them being the #1 talent team in the league. He took over the Bulls when Jordan finally had a supporting cast...then he hops over to the Lakers with Shaq/Kobe and the crew. It will be interesting to see how he fares this season although the Lakers should be better with a healthy Kobe and the trial behind him.
 

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I couldn't agree more...I was actually impressed that Jackson took the Lakers job this season without them being the #1 talent team in the league. He took over the Bulls when Jordan finally had a supporting cast...then he hops over to the Lakers with Shaq/Kobe and the crew. It will be interesting to see how he fares this season although the Lakers should be better with a healthy Kobe and the trial behind him.

I tkink that this all played out perfectly for Jackson. He leaves and they end up stinking. Now, he comes back and if they get back into the playoffs this year everyone will give him all the credit.
 

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Cub fans kill me....their fighting the Brewers for 4th. place but brag about winning 5 out of 7 games from the Cardinals. I guess that's about all they can talk about in October also.
 

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Cub fans kill me....their fighting the Brewers for 4th. place but brag about winning 5 out of 7 games from the Cardinals. I guess that's about all they can talk about in October also.

Not surprised you missed the point. The point is not to brag about winning 5 out of 7 but to state the fact that Tony has been outmanaged by Dusty in these games. This is fact!! Cards are better than the Cubs if that will ease your mind.
 

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Managing in b.b. is greatly overrated, I'm not a big Larussa fan but I don't believe that the managers have that much to do w/winning or losing. If Baker was manging the Cardinals and Larussa the Cubs the Cards would still be in first place.
 

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BilMirg said:
Managing in b.b. is greatly overrated, I'm not a big Larussa fan but I don't believe that the managers have that much to do w/winning or losing. If Baker was manging the Cardinals and Larussa the Cubs the Cards would still be in first place.

That was my point exactly...everyone was giving Baker a hard time on here and my point was just that he overachieved with this team for 2 years and that is why expectations were so high. Now they are blaming this entire season on him when he doesn't have any talent on that team.

Managers rarely have much influence on a team (Bobby Cox being the exception).
 

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BilMirg said:
Cub fans kill me....their fighting the Brewers for 4th. place but brag about winning 5 out of 7 games from the Cardinals. I guess that's about all they can talk about in October also.

Who is a Cubs fan? I hate the Cubs and have made a small fortune fading this team for over a month.

I just don't understand why people are blaming Baker.
 

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