I recall seeing old junk mail from Warren as far back as the late 70's. he use to tout in his mail , he had a horse 'winning system' ...that was my first recollection of Mike Warren, I have no idea how I got on his mailing list that far back...
And the clincher, Mike Warren bought Eddie Murray's 500 home run ball for one million dollars, a few yrs later it was reported the clown welched out on the annual payment to the original owner, and kept the ball....
And the clincher, Mike Warren bought Eddie Murray's 500 home run ball for one million dollars, a few yrs later it was reported the clown welched out on the annual payment to the original owner, and kept the ball....
Reader Rick Winkler has uncovered an interesting connection….
I am a frequent visitor to your website, and wanted to let you know that I support what you do, and am appreciative of it. While reading one of your August commentaries, I was reminded of something I thought you might find interesting (unless, of course, you have already touched on this subject — I just learned of your website a few months ago).
There is a fellow, Mike Lasky, also known as Mike Warren, who claimed to be this amazing sports handicapper. It occurs to me that these self described "Gurus" convince their gullible customers (unfortunately, they are for the most part people who have gambling problems and need help) that they are the world's greatest handicappers. In their advertisements, they go on and on about their past records of correctly picking winners in games, etc. While the gullible gambler is not told that these people are "psychic", they are, in the very least, snookered into believing that said Gurus do tons of research on sports teams, thus making your chances of winning a bet better than you could ever imagine. The inference is that if the gambler were to try to do the same research that the handicapper does, he would fail miserably because "we have a whole staff that works 9-5 doing nothing but research...blah blah.
Here comes the interesting part. Mike Lasky/Warren would have, for every weekend in football season, what he would call his "Pick of the Week," or "Lock of the Week." What he would then do, is send thousands of mailings to the West Coast, and an equal amount to the East Coast. The West Coast would get one team, the East Coast would get the opposing team. All for the low, low, price of $100 each "tip." The result was this: say the West Coast team won. Those people (who you have to believe bet big money on their team, since they already paid $100 just for the pick) would be dancing in the streets, thinking Mike Warren was the best handicapper in the world. The East Coast team, which would have the losing team, would be seething that they paid $100 and on top of that, bet the house on that team and lost.
What Mike would do, is have his telemarketers handle the 50% of the calls that were gripers, and they would apologize, and tell the caller how badly Warren felt, but to make it up to them, he would give them next weeks "Lock of the Week" for free. This guy must have made millions before they finally caught up with him, but as you all too well know, these scam artists just pop up in another venue, like some cat and mouse game. My research found that this guy was the creator of the "Psychic Friends Network" of Dionne Warwick fame. He was also convicted of fraud after obtaining $6,000,000 in loans and credit lines. Anyway, thanks for letting me tell this story. Hope you found it interesting.
As usual, there's little surprise here for us. The handicapper scheme was common on racetracks at one time, a tout giving each potential customer a tip on a winner — each got a different horse — then following up for a few more races until — inverted-pyramid-style — it got down to a group of winners who had "proven" faith in the tout. A share in the final winnings made the profit for the tout. Lasky/Warren improved his chances by feeding off the psychic-sucker racket, too.
I am a frequent visitor to your website, and wanted to let you know that I support what you do, and am appreciative of it. While reading one of your August commentaries, I was reminded of something I thought you might find interesting (unless, of course, you have already touched on this subject — I just learned of your website a few months ago).
There is a fellow, Mike Lasky, also known as Mike Warren, who claimed to be this amazing sports handicapper. It occurs to me that these self described "Gurus" convince their gullible customers (unfortunately, they are for the most part people who have gambling problems and need help) that they are the world's greatest handicappers. In their advertisements, they go on and on about their past records of correctly picking winners in games, etc. While the gullible gambler is not told that these people are "psychic", they are, in the very least, snookered into believing that said Gurus do tons of research on sports teams, thus making your chances of winning a bet better than you could ever imagine. The inference is that if the gambler were to try to do the same research that the handicapper does, he would fail miserably because "we have a whole staff that works 9-5 doing nothing but research...blah blah.
Here comes the interesting part. Mike Lasky/Warren would have, for every weekend in football season, what he would call his "Pick of the Week," or "Lock of the Week." What he would then do, is send thousands of mailings to the West Coast, and an equal amount to the East Coast. The West Coast would get one team, the East Coast would get the opposing team. All for the low, low, price of $100 each "tip." The result was this: say the West Coast team won. Those people (who you have to believe bet big money on their team, since they already paid $100 just for the pick) would be dancing in the streets, thinking Mike Warren was the best handicapper in the world. The East Coast team, which would have the losing team, would be seething that they paid $100 and on top of that, bet the house on that team and lost.
What Mike would do, is have his telemarketers handle the 50% of the calls that were gripers, and they would apologize, and tell the caller how badly Warren felt, but to make it up to them, he would give them next weeks "Lock of the Week" for free. This guy must have made millions before they finally caught up with him, but as you all too well know, these scam artists just pop up in another venue, like some cat and mouse game. My research found that this guy was the creator of the "Psychic Friends Network" of Dionne Warwick fame. He was also convicted of fraud after obtaining $6,000,000 in loans and credit lines. Anyway, thanks for letting me tell this story. Hope you found it interesting.
As usual, there's little surprise here for us. The handicapper scheme was common on racetracks at one time, a tout giving each potential customer a tip on a winner — each got a different horse — then following up for a few more races until — inverted-pyramid-style — it got down to a group of winners who had "proven" faith in the tout. A share in the final winnings made the profit for the tout. Lasky/Warren improved his chances by feeding off the psychic-sucker racket, too.
Even more Warren horror storys
What you have to understand is that I started out like everyone else. When I realized I could not win on my own, I turned to the experts and I picked what I conceived to be the biggest name in the business. At that time it was Mike Warren. And here's what Mike Warren did to me.
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It was the late 70's, but it seems like yesterday. Just a few years out of high school. I had not yet started my own business, and to be brutally honest with you, I didn't have a lot of money. I had gotten myself into trouble for the very first time betting those big favorites in baseball. There was no way I could pay what I was down, so I decided to contact an expert. I took the scientific approach. I bought all the publications and looked around. I went with Mike because he had the biggest, best looking ads. I was really stupid, but I figured the bigger the operation, the better my chance to win, and my ass was in the wringer so I dialed the number. Of course no-one was available to talk to me. I had to leave my name and number, so like a happy idiot, I did. I never did get to speak to Mike, but about 15 minutes later I get a call back from a salesman.[/font]
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This guy sounds perfect. He 's got the gruff voice, the slight Brooklyn accent, you could almost hear the cigar in his mouth. He seemed curiously interested in how much I bet, and I told him straight away about my little problem. He assured me that Mike had the information and contacts to make that problem disappear. All I had to do was sign up for a week, and play the games he gave me. The price was 250, which seemed like more back then than it does now. I whipped out my credit card. First day, game one… loser. Second day, game two… loser. Third day, game 3… loser. Now I'm really in deep shit. My salesman, I think his name was Sam, calls me on Friday after the 3rd game goes down. I can't tell you how desperate I was. He starts talking to me in hushed tones about a special game Mike’s got going for Saturday. He gives me the whole speech, and I'm eating it up. Sam says that Mike’s information is so strong, that I can bail myself out completely with just this one game. But there’s a catch. The game would cost me another $250. I tried to argue that I had paid for the week, hadn't had a winner yet, and that Mr. Warren owed me this game. Sam stood firm. You get what you pay for. Inside information costs big money.[/font]
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Guess what I did? That right, I maxed out the credit card, and bought the game. At least I didn't have to sweat. I think I was down 6-0 in the 2nd inning. It took me three months to pay off the debt. In the meantime strange things began to happen around me. My mailbox started filling up with Sports junk. People kept calling me at home trying to sell me games. It got so bad I had to change my number, but the mail came in droves for years until I moved. Do I blame Mike for losing 4 in a row? I didn't then, I don't now. Anyone can loose over the short term. But I will hate him till the day I die for making me pay for that extra game. I resent him intensely for selling my name and address to every Tom, Dick, and Asshole crawling around in the dirt. And I will despise him forever, for advising me to bet way over my head. And that's what Mike Warren did to me. Every word true.[/font][font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
What you have to understand is that I started out like everyone else. When I realized I could not win on my own, I turned to the experts and I picked what I conceived to be the biggest name in the business. At that time it was Mike Warren. And here's what Mike Warren did to me.
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It was the late 70's, but it seems like yesterday. Just a few years out of high school. I had not yet started my own business, and to be brutally honest with you, I didn't have a lot of money. I had gotten myself into trouble for the very first time betting those big favorites in baseball. There was no way I could pay what I was down, so I decided to contact an expert. I took the scientific approach. I bought all the publications and looked around. I went with Mike because he had the biggest, best looking ads. I was really stupid, but I figured the bigger the operation, the better my chance to win, and my ass was in the wringer so I dialed the number. Of course no-one was available to talk to me. I had to leave my name and number, so like a happy idiot, I did. I never did get to speak to Mike, but about 15 minutes later I get a call back from a salesman.[/font]
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]This guy sounds perfect. He 's got the gruff voice, the slight Brooklyn accent, you could almost hear the cigar in his mouth. He seemed curiously interested in how much I bet, and I told him straight away about my little problem. He assured me that Mike had the information and contacts to make that problem disappear. All I had to do was sign up for a week, and play the games he gave me. The price was 250, which seemed like more back then than it does now. I whipped out my credit card. First day, game one… loser. Second day, game two… loser. Third day, game 3… loser. Now I'm really in deep shit. My salesman, I think his name was Sam, calls me on Friday after the 3rd game goes down. I can't tell you how desperate I was. He starts talking to me in hushed tones about a special game Mike’s got going for Saturday. He gives me the whole speech, and I'm eating it up. Sam says that Mike’s information is so strong, that I can bail myself out completely with just this one game. But there’s a catch. The game would cost me another $250. I tried to argue that I had paid for the week, hadn't had a winner yet, and that Mr. Warren owed me this game. Sam stood firm. You get what you pay for. Inside information costs big money.[/font]
[font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Guess what I did? That right, I maxed out the credit card, and bought the game. At least I didn't have to sweat. I think I was down 6-0 in the 2nd inning. It took me three months to pay off the debt. In the meantime strange things began to happen around me. My mailbox started filling up with Sports junk. People kept calling me at home trying to sell me games. It got so bad I had to change my number, but the mail came in droves for years until I moved. Do I blame Mike for losing 4 in a row? I didn't then, I don't now. Anyone can loose over the short term. But I will hate him till the day I die for making me pay for that extra game. I resent him intensely for selling my name and address to every Tom, Dick, and Asshole crawling around in the dirt. And I will despise him forever, for advising me to bet way over my head. And that's what Mike Warren did to me. Every word true.[/font][font=Bernard MT Condensed,Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] [/font]
My first experience with a tout was my last (well not really because i am using one right now and i used one for a short while during basketball season last year but i will touch on that later)
Any way, i was a rookie, wet as can be and had about 2 dimes i was ready to double asap!!! I dont remember who the hell i called, i was so stupid i got his number of the Betonsports webpage (yes i did and have fun laughing at that one) So i call this guy and we start talking. It happened to be that there was a big fight in vegas that weekend, i just dont remember who was fighting but the odds were like 5-1..This moron told me to bet the underdog and his reason was that i would win 2500 if i bet 500 bucks....:monsters- ..
Now i know i was a rookie but i was also born a hard headed stubborn as a goat person who tends to always resort to common sense in most situations. Its a stance that makes people not like you a lot because of the low tolerance for bullshit, but it also saves you a whole lot of pain!!!
this moron told me that the reason i should bet the underdog is because of what i could potentially win!!!! Not because the underdog would actually come through, not because the underdog even had a chance or that he had some inside info!! This sodomite told me to bet on the dog simply because i would win back 5 times what i bet!!!! I hung up on him!!! and i never ever called any one again!!!
Regarding the touts i have used, there is this one kid ( and i really mean a kid, this guy was living with his parents didnt even have a private phone and couldnt even pick up Western union transfers and was scared to death to do it..I doubt he was over 18)...He posted this formular on Covers about a month or so before the end of the regular NBA season. That thing was hitting winners at well over 70% and i think one week we were at about 20-5 or something ridiculous like that. Around this time, i was partying excessively and was in a perpetual state of intoxication or alcohol symptoms, exhaustion etc... didnt even have time to use the formular myself, which was easy but you could get different results depending on how you played around with the stats. He and some other woman from covers were the ones mostly posting it! After this sucess, all my books would drastically adjust the lines on every single game he posted. So i contacted the kid and told him i would pay him if he emailed me the picks before he posted them. This way i got the lines early before the books moved them. He did so and for a while we had sucess but the major problem was the season was ending and there was no way his formular could hold true in the last weeks of the season or in the playoffs..We called it quits..Will try it again this NBA season. i still have his contact.
Of course the other tout is kodiak, hate to plug him but shit!!! he has proven record and came through with a huge friggin weekend last week and i doubt he is sending out flyers giving out both sides of the game! With the way i manage my money, if he keeps this up, i will be picking the color of that S-class by thanks giving!!!! So not all touts are bad. If you manage your money right, you can survive even the worst tout... (It takes a certified loser to constantly pick under 50%..and if you know a tout like that please give me his name so i can fade him!!!!)
Any way, i was a rookie, wet as can be and had about 2 dimes i was ready to double asap!!! I dont remember who the hell i called, i was so stupid i got his number of the Betonsports webpage (yes i did and have fun laughing at that one) So i call this guy and we start talking. It happened to be that there was a big fight in vegas that weekend, i just dont remember who was fighting but the odds were like 5-1..This moron told me to bet the underdog and his reason was that i would win 2500 if i bet 500 bucks....:monsters- ..
Now i know i was a rookie but i was also born a hard headed stubborn as a goat person who tends to always resort to common sense in most situations. Its a stance that makes people not like you a lot because of the low tolerance for bullshit, but it also saves you a whole lot of pain!!!
this moron told me that the reason i should bet the underdog is because of what i could potentially win!!!! Not because the underdog would actually come through, not because the underdog even had a chance or that he had some inside info!! This sodomite told me to bet on the dog simply because i would win back 5 times what i bet!!!! I hung up on him!!! and i never ever called any one again!!!
Regarding the touts i have used, there is this one kid ( and i really mean a kid, this guy was living with his parents didnt even have a private phone and couldnt even pick up Western union transfers and was scared to death to do it..I doubt he was over 18)...He posted this formular on Covers about a month or so before the end of the regular NBA season. That thing was hitting winners at well over 70% and i think one week we were at about 20-5 or something ridiculous like that. Around this time, i was partying excessively and was in a perpetual state of intoxication or alcohol symptoms, exhaustion etc... didnt even have time to use the formular myself, which was easy but you could get different results depending on how you played around with the stats. He and some other woman from covers were the ones mostly posting it! After this sucess, all my books would drastically adjust the lines on every single game he posted. So i contacted the kid and told him i would pay him if he emailed me the picks before he posted them. This way i got the lines early before the books moved them. He did so and for a while we had sucess but the major problem was the season was ending and there was no way his formular could hold true in the last weeks of the season or in the playoffs..We called it quits..Will try it again this NBA season. i still have his contact.
Of course the other tout is kodiak, hate to plug him but shit!!! he has proven record and came through with a huge friggin weekend last week and i doubt he is sending out flyers giving out both sides of the game! With the way i manage my money, if he keeps this up, i will be picking the color of that S-class by thanks giving!!!! So not all touts are bad. If you manage your money right, you can survive even the worst tout... (It takes a certified loser to constantly pick under 50%..and if you know a tout like that please give me his name so i can fade him!!!!)
ronaldn said:
I will check my email and see if its still there.
Otherwise i will get in touch with him via email and ask him to send it.
I have to state this, we examined this system and it works but you need to use it half way through the season or later but not at the end or during play offs
Around 1986 a friend of mine wanted to subscribe to a service so he could bet football games. He looked to me for advise and I told him I'd let him know. I knew that Doc's was a pretty hot srvice at the time and he kept on winning his Big Ten GOY. I stopped by his house to tell him to take the Doc's Service. He told me had already subscribe to Mike Warren. I almost turned green...and believe me NOT with envy! I was ready to puke. I knew all about Warren and didn't want him to have anything to do with him.
I made him call up and cancell the service as he had just mailed them a check. He called up and after fighting with them for 15 minutes, he told them he was stopping payment on the check. The guy got pissed off and told him to "lose the number!" He had paid them around $1700. He took Doc's service for around $700 for the year, and went 6-0 the first week. He also had another 6-0 week the last week of the college season. Doc had a very good year that year but finally pushed his Big Ten GOY which started him on a losing streak. We got lucky and went to Vegas for the game and were at the Sands when the game came out. They jumped that line up to 5.5 then 6 while I was in line to make the bets for both of us. Luckily we had called our books back in L.A. to bet the game and they had 4.5. After we bet we went over to the RIO and the line was all the way up to 9. I begged my friend to loan me some money to bet the other side, but he thought it would jinx us in the game. Indiana was the pick and they won by 6. Prior to Doc's announcement of the pick the line had been a solid 3.
I made him call up and cancell the service as he had just mailed them a check. He called up and after fighting with them for 15 minutes, he told them he was stopping payment on the check. The guy got pissed off and told him to "lose the number!" He had paid them around $1700. He took Doc's service for around $700 for the year, and went 6-0 the first week. He also had another 6-0 week the last week of the college season. Doc had a very good year that year but finally pushed his Big Ten GOY which started him on a losing streak. We got lucky and went to Vegas for the game and were at the Sands when the game came out. They jumped that line up to 5.5 then 6 while I was in line to make the bets for both of us. Luckily we had called our books back in L.A. to bet the game and they had 4.5. After we bet we went over to the RIO and the line was all the way up to 9. I begged my friend to loan me some money to bet the other side, but he thought it would jinx us in the game. Indiana was the pick and they won by 6. Prior to Doc's announcement of the pick the line had been a solid 3.
