Is Curt Schilling Hall of Famer?

Journeyman · Sep 26, 2005

Before you jump in and say YES based off of his World Series heroics of the past 5 years and particularly last season's improbable WS journey, take a look at his entire career...

When the dust settles is he in or out of Cooperstown?

The arguerment for;

Two World Series Rings and both in very dramatic fashion.
Finished 2nd for Cy Young 3 times
3-time 20 game winner
184 wins coming into this season, will finish with over 200 career wins
Co MVP 2001 WS

The arguement against

Up until age 33 he was a slightly above average ,compiling a record of 110- 89.
11 seasons where he was a .500 or less pitcher.
He was 52-52 at age 29.

It comes down to this, he has had a great run in the latter part of his career, and has won two very high profile World Series where he had a major impact....

Is that enough to get him into the Hall of Fame?

Journeyman · Sep 26, 2005

Schilling's pitching in another big game tonight vs Toronto , as both NY and Bos go into the final week tied...

He is 7-8 , ERA 5.89 this season and has struggled vs the Jays lifetime 3-6, most of which was years ago, he beat Toronto in his only outing this season, although they did rough him up.

Fishhead · Sep 26, 2005

VERY close, but if I were an oddsmaker, would make the line basically a toss-up for him getting in the HOF sometime in the future...........maybe a slight lean to the YES.

YES -118
NO -102

docmercer--banned · Sep 26, 2005

Nope .... sorry but his numbers just dont get him there

are his numbers similar to Goodens????

docmercer--banned · Sep 26, 2005

Gooden: 194-112 / 3.52 ERA

Sorry, Schilling just does not have the numbers to warrant a Yes vote

Journeyman · Sep 26, 2005

Fishhead said:
VERY close, but if I were an oddsmaker, would make the line basically a toss-up for him getting in the HOF sometime in the future...........maybe a slight lean to the YES.

YES -118
NO -102

coming to your senses ...

We talked about this last year Fishstremski and you were still high on WS confetti.

I would say NO but realize his media driven populairty could sway some.

Maybe he has one more magical season in him .

Fishhead · Sep 26, 2005

doc mercer said:
Gooden: 194-112 / 3.52 ERA

Sorry, Schilling just does not have the numbers to warrant a Yes vote

The HOF is much more than just numbers!

Either way, who cares???

The HALL OF FAME is not even worth discussing........its a joke!

I really don't even like to acknowledge it.

A HALL OF FAME of MLB that has no Shoeless Joe Jackson, Charlie Hustle Pete Rose, Bert Blyleven, or Dwight Evans is a complete farce.

I will NEVER visit this dump until ALL four of these men are inducted by them.

-Fish-

CHOPTALK · Sep 26, 2005

If he had a career ending injury tonight, he would not get in.

CHOPTALK · Sep 26, 2005

What about David Cone?

wantitall4moi · Sep 26, 2005

The HOF isn't really a HOF, it is becoming a Hall of the Very Good.

So he probably gets in. If Tony Perez is in then a lot of people need to get in.

Basically if you play 15 or more years they throw you in, regardless of how good you were.

SHOULD he get in..no

MASTER · Sep 26, 2005

David Cone?

Do you know what the hall of fame is Choptalk?

I can explain it if you want.

Ladeda · Sep 26, 2005

Numbers cab be misleading. He was a top nothc pitcher for the Phillies for at least three years and was barely above .500 those years. Also remember to trhow in those 300+ strikeout seasons with the Phils. That is a really big number for anybody not named Randy Johnson.

Journeyman · Sep 26, 2005

MASTER said:
David Cone?

Do you know what the hall of fame is Choptalk?

I can explain it if you want.

Cone 194-126
Curt 192-131

Actually these two are very similar, when they were right, they were both very good pitchers, to great pitchers, both won some big games at the bigegest times...

Neither are HOF'ers IMO, but very close...

I won't be voting for Schilling when he is eligible.

DrunkenHorseplayer · Sep 26, 2005

wantitall4moi said:
The HOF isn't really a HOF, it is becoming a Hall of the Very Good.

So he probably gets in. If Tony Perez is in then a lot of people need to get in.

Basically if you play 15 or more years they throw you in, regardless of how good you were.

SHOULD he get in..no

My thoughts exactly; and the Pro Football Hall of Fame is even worse.

gopherbob · Sep 26, 2005

i think he gets in, just not on the 1st ballot

viking611 · Sep 26, 2005

Journeyman said:
I won't be voting for Schilling when he is eligible.

:monsters- didn't know you had a vote...will you vote for Raffy??

Fishhead · Sep 26, 2005

viking611 said:
:monsters- didn't know you had a vote...will you vote for Raffy??

.......and will he vote for Wakefield?

Journeyman · Sep 26, 2005

I won't vote for Raffy either...I doubt raffy ever gets in.

Wakefield lol...he is in the nice guy HOF though!

HOF is becoming watered down IMHO.

viking611 · Sep 26, 2005

Raffy should be in. I don't care how much juice he took. 500 HR, 3000 hits. what is that...like 3 or 4 others in that club?

Arodd · Sep 26, 2005

Cone threw that perfect game too...don't remember Shilling ever even throwing a no-no

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