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Many players get stiffed, or slow-payed or reviewed and they think that by coming to TheRX and creating a new thread bashing a book, they will get even with the book.

The problem is that it is always the SAME group of books that have these problems - Royal, Sportsbook.com, BetUS and so on.

So my question to people who complain is:

If you ignored all the warning signs on the RX before YOU posted up, what makes you think your new thread is going to do anything?

A poster will ignore 25 threads that talk about Royal's and BetUS' slowpays and still send them 2 dimes to cash in on a huge bonus - when he can't get his money back, he thinks his new thread will put a hurting on them.

There are numerous posters who jump into Royal and Sportsbook.com threads and say "They have paid me on time" and that is fine, but it is inevitably going to be these people (and not people like me) that end up coming to the RX and asking for help because they can't get a payout. I know it sounds obvious, but its true when I say that people who stay away from Royal will never be here complaining about Royal - it's always going to be the people who say, "they have treated me well".

Don't use the RX as a soapbox AFTER you don't get paid. Use it as a research tool BEFORE you post up.
 

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In an ideal world you are right IMO, but we are human and we make mistakes. If the guy gets stiffed before he even hears about the Rx, then he has much more of an excuse than a regular poster who just ignores all the warnings. And if he learns from his mistake and helps others to avoid the same mistake, then he's doing the right thing I'd say.

Don't forget we were all newbies once and many of us got here in the first place by getting stiffed, slow paid or otherwise jerked around.
 

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DarrylParsons, why cant we all be so logical. You are so right. I had never heard of the rx and only got my referrals from the OSGA. Well as we know, they told me Royal is cool. Believe it ir not, to this day, OSGA is still referring people to royal and Betus. I cant believe that. Had I seen numerous posts warning me to stay away from Royal I guarantee I would have stayed clear. Now I feel obligated to warn others of making that fatal error I made when I signed up with Royal and Betus. Am I wrong fish? I feel like I would be letting them off the hook if I just stopped posting. I know for a fact that this whole dispute has cost them customers and cash. Do you have a better idea? I am no longer expecting anything except to keep others away from these crooks.
 

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Darryl Parsons said:
In an ideal world you are right IMO, but we are human and we make mistakes. If the guy gets stiffed before he even hears about the Rx, then he has much more of an excuse than a regular poster who just ignores all the warnings. And if he learns from his mistake and helps others to avoid the same mistake, then he's doing the right thing I'd say.

Don't forget we were all newbies once and many of us got here in the first place by getting stiffed, slow paid or otherwise jerked around.

:103631605 Nice post Darryl. I agree 100%.
 
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Don't use the RX as a soapbox AFTER you don't get paid. Use it as a research tool BEFORE you post up.

For many players, they only come across the forums after they have been wronged by a book. There isn't a regular poster here (I HOPE!) that would send a dime to ESB, but yet there are many people who just don't know any better.

Sad but true.
 

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My fanstasy is to start a legitimate off shore monitoring service that would not depend on the same books for adverstising income!!! With radio ads and may be a monthly news letter,(or an insert you could put in the top newspapers around the bigger cities) and zero tolerance for books like royal and Betcom, BetUs...(I always enjoy reading those 5 figure disputes where a book out right stole some ones money and i imagine readers would find them intriguing too) Can you imagine an interview with David1 from the royal dispute lamenting about how they stole his money and the great lengths he went through to get it back, (including the lies)

An organization like that would do great wonders to clean up shody acts and bankrupt scam organizations like BETCOM for good!!!
 

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This should be a one strike and your out industry, apparently their are some cleavor books out there that know how to get around being shady. I don't have the answers but once I see a red flag against a book they will never get my money. I will even give new books a chance before a book that I know has had problems in the past. I want the competition but if you cheat,lie or steal your out for good.
 

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Bad Books

A Good Example Is Bet On Sports
There Have Been A MIllion Posts On These Guys But People Still Join
I Guess To Each His Own.
Probably If Aces Gold Came Back Tomorrow Someone Would Send Them A Deposit Also.
I Have Been Beaten By Both
 

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cincy_ said:
Many players get stiffed, or slow-payed or reviewed and they think that by coming to TheRX and creating a new thread bashing a book, they will get even with the book.

The problem is that it is always the SAME group of books that have these problems - Royal, Sportsbook.com, BetUS and so on.

So my question to people who complain is:

If you ignored all the warning signs on the RX before YOU posted up, what makes you think your new thread is going to do anything?

A poster will ignore 25 threads that talk about Royal's and BetUS' slowpays and still send them 2 dimes to cash in on a huge bonus - when he can't get his money back, he thinks his new thread will put a hurting on them.

There are numerous posters who jump into Royal and Sportsbook.com threads and say "They have paid me on time" and that is fine, but it is inevitably going to be these people (and not people like me) that end up coming to the RX and asking for help because they can't get a payout. I know it sounds obvious, but its true when I say that people who stay away from Royal will never be here complaining about Royal - it's always going to be the people who say, "they have treated me well".

Don't use the RX as a soapbox AFTER you don't get paid. Use it as a research tool BEFORE you post up.
But what if you have been treated well ? Am I suppose to lie and say I've been cheated when i haven't been ? No I'm not. All I have ever done is report on whats happened since I've been with Royal. No endorsement to play there or not to play their.Or to play at any other shop for that matter. Everyone here Is 18 years old at least.Make your own decisions. People don't need to come in here and blame others for their decisions. I play their because I choose too. they bailed me out once before, thats good enough for me. Never have collected a bonus from them either since the bailout. And I'm also one person you can put on your list that won't do what you said in your post. Come crying in here for help IF they go down. SO their goes your theory of its always the people who say " they have treated me well "
 

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rjmole said:
A Good Example Is Bet On Sports
There Have Been A MIllion Posts On These Guys But People Still Join
I Guess To Each His Own.
Probably If Aces Gold Came Back Tomorrow Someone Would Send Them A Deposit Also.
I Have Been Beaten By Both

I have been posting at RX for about 8 months and I will NEVER post up at BOS after reading about this STIFF and SCAM book.

Read the posts from guys like Jay C who have been in this industry from its infancy and if he is bashing and/or not endorsing particular books, its probably wise to avoid those books.

If already at a book like Redeye is at Royal and being treated well, then totally understandable why he would stick around. I doubt he keeps a large balance there since other posts have to be in his thoughts.

Thanks to RX veterans for informing others which books are solid and which ones to avoid.

:drink:
 

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DarrylParsons, why cant we all be so logical. You are so right. I had never heard of the rx and only got my referrals from the OSGA. Well as we know, they told me Royal is cool. Believe it ir not, to this day, OSGA is still referring people to royal and Betus. I cant believe that. Had I seen numerous posts warning me to stay away from Royal I guarantee I would have stayed clear. Now I feel obligated to warn others of making that fatal error I made when I signed up with Royal and Betus. Am I wrong fish? I feel like I would be letting them off the hook if I just stopped posting. I know for a fact that this whole dispute has cost them customers and cash. Do you have a better idea? I am no longer expecting anything except to keep others away from these crooks.

This wasn't about YOU, David. In fact, it was just the opposite.

I love your weekly updates about Royal, and if nothing else, you have kept me (and at least a couple of dimes) away from them. That being said, there are people here who totally ignore your posts and send them money anyways. Since Royal or ESB or BETUS or Sportsbook.com can't stiff someone who doesn't send them money, it will inevitably be the people who ignore these posts that will be crying foul and it will be these people who will think that by posting their story on the forum, it will keep people away from those shit books.

So I was simply wondering aloud why people think their posts will put a hurting on a shit book if hundreds of other warnings didn't keep them from posting up.

I also understand newbies searching for these forums AFTER they get stiffed - and I sympathize with them. I got screwed by Mark Del myself and Olympic bailed me out - but my mistake was that even though I had read the RX and heard about problems there, I spoke personally to Mark Del and the scumbag assured me 2 days before he went belly-up that they were in the process of bringing in an investor and things would be ok. I fell for it.

That is why I said:

Don't use the RX as a soapbox AFTER you don't get paid. Use it as a research tool BEFORE you post up.

 

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I have been posting at RX for about 8 months and I will NEVER post up at BOS after reading about this STIFF and SCAM book.

Read the posts from guys like Jay C who have been in this industry from its infancy and if he is bashing and/or not endorsing particular books, its probably wise to avoid those books.

If already at a book like Redeye is at Royal and being treated well, then totally understandable why he would stick around. I doubt he keeps a large balance there since other posts have to be in his thoughts.

Thanks to RX veterans for informing others which books are solid and which ones to avoid.

:drink:

Thats the key, you should never have ANY money offshore that you cannot afford to lose!

Personally, I play at both ROYAL and BOS, but like all books never allow myself to become overexposed(at least for any great length of time).

However, there are 100+ books out there though that I would NEVER play at.

Another thing, I give much more respect to individuals(posters) that actually play at a variety of books.... and if you are around these forums long enough, you realize who these posters are.
 

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Fishhead said:
Thats the key, you should never have ANY money offshore that you cannot afford to lose!

Personally, I play at both ROYAL and BOS, but like all books never allow myself to become overexposed(at least for any great length of time).

However, there are 100+ books out there though that I would NEVER play at.

Another thing, I give much more respect to individuals(posters) that actually play at a variety of books.... and if you are around these forums long enough, you realize who these posters are.
We might be leading the way in total shops used.
 

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RED EYE said:
We might be leading the way in total shops used.

Leading contenders for sure.

:toothless

As mentioned before, there are so many very good shops offshore currently, that we should all thank our lucky stars for the great variety!!
 

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Fishhead said:
Leading contenders for sure.

:toothless

As mentioned before, there are so many very good shops offshore currently, that we should all thank our lucky stars for the great variety!!
By the way Fish, Who are the good Hockey handicappers here. I thought I saw a hockey Thread from you last week but forgot to look. Might as well pick up some more coin :digit:
 

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RED EYE said:
By the way Fish, Who are the good Hockey handicappers here. I thought I saw a hockey Thread from you last week but forgot to look. Might as well pick up some more coin :digit:

VEGAS VIC
SPORTSAVANT
McIRISH
(Pretty decent myself)

There are more, but the above mentioned not only are good handicappers, but follow the sport very closely.

Check out the hockey forum and the tracker forum on occassions and you will see why.

Personally, the NHL is right at the top of the list for being my best overall moneymaker the past 15+ years from strictly a handicapping standpoint...........however, still having a semi-tough time getting adjusted to the new rule changes for handicapping purposes, so therefore past results may not be indicitive of future results.

-FISH-
 

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The one thing I have learned is to keep money in a variety of accounts. But in my case with Royal, I started with 20 grand and quickly got it up to 150 to 200 grand. Although you hope to win, I didnt expect to get that hot. I was getting small payouts over time. I should have stopped betting I guess when it reached like 50 grand. I now realize that I shouldnt send any one place 20 grand. That was my error but in no way excuses royals behavior. Especially since I talked with Richard for over an hour before I sent the money and asked him every question in the book. I went over every concern and was assured that Royal was hot shit. I was guaranteed that Royal wouldnt slow pay me and that Royal had no payout limits. That is why to this day I am so pissed with Royal and especially Richard. I thought that by asking all these questions and even telling richard that OSGA was referring me over, I had myself covered. Richard just lied his ass off for over an hour. If he would have just been straight up at that time, I could have chose to play there knowing that Royal would slow pay me, or move on to a legit book that pays it's winners. I have learned from this to never put it all in one book, but dont ever excuse Royal for lying to it's new customers and then screwing them in the end. Thats bullshit!
 

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