You always take bad beats, doesn't mean there is no skill in the game. Just like everything else, it's the longterm where the %'s come out in your favor, not the short term. The math is always true over an extended period, in the short term the biggest fish at the table can win.
Trust me there is skill in Texas Hold 'em.....
Trust me there is skill in Texas Hold 'em.....
Patrick McIrish said:
Yeah he baited her badly after he hit the straight flush, saying "I guess I lose this one and am going home." He knew damn well he had the winner when he said this. It's fine to use all means to win, but he definitely deserved her lecture for pretending to walk into the final bets as a loser.
Insiders said:
Wrong. Number one this is tournement poker, that should have been your first attack. The short term luck factor in Tournys is higher but the skilled take down the money in the long run. And what does that skill consist of? First thing is survival. That doesn't mean playing tight, it means keeping your stack at a playable level. It also means deciding when and what advantages you want to exploit. It also means keeping an eye on your chip stacks vs the others and them knowing how each stack is likely to respond to your bets.
These skills just begin to touch what you need to be a successful tourny player. Do you have any idea how hard it is to master all of these and make the correct decisions in the heat of the moment EVERY TIME? Then you can do everything right and not reap ANY benefits for a very long time. You are just wrong in your assesment. No argument.
I felt bad for Oliver Hudson (actor) who had the full house 10's over A's. Of course he thinks he has an awesome hand. Gosh Farah got lucky with his full house. I felt bad he lost on the very first hand at the main table nonetheless. He had to do the walk of shame. At least he tried to joke about it when he walked away.
Wow you wait a whole year to play in the WSOP and you're done in 90 secs.
Wow you wait a whole year to play in the WSOP and you're done in 90 secs.
cut across shorty said:
ohhhh dude i couldnt believe that! I dont think Ive ever seen a badder beat then what Harmon had. Im sure she was absolutely sick to her stomach...
I think if Harmon lost like that at Greektown Casino in Detroit, she woulda probably won the bad beat Jackpot which averages usualy $20,000 to $25,000
like ms. harmon has never had the other side....roflmao....dude shoulda thrown back in her face instead of cowering like a dog w/tail btw his legs............she's as cold-blooded as they come.....and you have to be to win at that level.....it was great entertainment....she done helmuth proud....
Half those "pros" are all backed by the same people. I think it is so funny when they are at the final tables together. Watching to see who makes the move to get the person that needs to pay his marker the money. Collusion is so ramapnat in these things it isn't even funny. Not against other players usually, but definately people lose on purpose because they are both in the same stable, and one guy needs it more. So the other is "persuaded" to show some lack of concentration, or lose their meal ticket backer.
Most of them don't have 3 nickles to rub together. But ESPN is basically promoting this passtime that is 1000% WORSE than sportsbetting.
I sit in rooms all day in the winter and spring watching people lose and lose and lose. Then they stop coming. People are going broke everyday playing this game chasing some rainbow.
Then these guys on there touting how these part time players quit their jobs and turn "pro". I wish they would show the real side of it. Not just the cursory Stu Unger piece, but the whole story behind all these guys they pimp and prop up every week.
They show guys that live in 250K mobile homes, have huge houses that more than likely poker had nothing to do with building. Negraneu lives with his mom for crying out loud. He "made" 4 million in winning last year, yet he lives with his mom? Come on. This is no different than guy touting how great they at sports betting and are and living in a Motel 6.
This whole fantasy that surrounds poker is a very dangerous thing for a lot of people. I am honestly surpirsed that it hasn't caused some problems. But the government gets their cut so they don't care. Since half the people here in Cal that play are either playing with their wlefare, SSI, or Social Security checks the money is simply recycled anyways.
Not to mention the whole internet thing. I have to think the credit card companies aren't getting charged back enough to make it an issue, but I have to think some of them do get charged back a little, and certainly more than Sportbetting.
Sorry for the mini rant. But the TRUTH about these so called great players is not what you see promoted on TV or in books, or magazines. Most of them are addicted to other things besides cards. If people saw the real side of the game they would definately go back to looking at it as a degenerates play gorund. But now that they themselves have become the degenerates their vission is clouded.
Most of them don't have 3 nickles to rub together. But ESPN is basically promoting this passtime that is 1000% WORSE than sportsbetting.
I sit in rooms all day in the winter and spring watching people lose and lose and lose. Then they stop coming. People are going broke everyday playing this game chasing some rainbow.
Then these guys on there touting how these part time players quit their jobs and turn "pro". I wish they would show the real side of it. Not just the cursory Stu Unger piece, but the whole story behind all these guys they pimp and prop up every week.
They show guys that live in 250K mobile homes, have huge houses that more than likely poker had nothing to do with building. Negraneu lives with his mom for crying out loud. He "made" 4 million in winning last year, yet he lives with his mom? Come on. This is no different than guy touting how great they at sports betting and are and living in a Motel 6.
This whole fantasy that surrounds poker is a very dangerous thing for a lot of people. I am honestly surpirsed that it hasn't caused some problems. But the government gets their cut so they don't care. Since half the people here in Cal that play are either playing with their wlefare, SSI, or Social Security checks the money is simply recycled anyways.
Not to mention the whole internet thing. I have to think the credit card companies aren't getting charged back enough to make it an issue, but I have to think some of them do get charged back a little, and certainly more than Sportbetting.
Sorry for the mini rant. But the TRUTH about these so called great players is not what you see promoted on TV or in books, or magazines. Most of them are addicted to other things besides cards. If people saw the real side of the game they would definately go back to looking at it as a degenerates play gorund. But now that they themselves have become the degenerates their vission is clouded.
Sherman
Yes there is some skill to this game for sure. But when one understands a few simple things about probability in this game it all gets on a much more even playing field.
As most of the world has watched on TV many times. how many times have you seen someone go all in with a pair of jacks or below and the other person calls with 2 over cards. Well this turns into almost a coin flip as you have noticed.
The play comes into this game once someone has a hand "made". Most of the time they check and try to trap the other person, or persons into a check raise position. Again there is some play to this game, buts it all comes down to the river in most cases.
Someone above mentioned that LOTS of these players are in the same stable....Well TRUE !
Most of these guys are playing someone elses money as the backer put the money up in the first place.
How many times have you watched some GREAT player make a terrible play in the headups match? Well many as the blinds go up fast and they could be backed by the same stable.
I promise you that a guy from right around here that has NEVER played in a BIG tounament, which is a "good" player got into the final 50 of this years WSOP.
Now once again he was lucky to get that far as he was ALL in many times thorughout the tourney, and got lucky a few times to get that far also.
And YES you would be an Underdog to any that you mentioned, but if cards RAN over you at the right time you would bust those guys as well.
Ifn ya dont catch em, ya cant play em!
One more thing, how many times have you seen those pocket Ace's get beat, well it happens all the time, i used to deal this game. I swear they lose more than they win, will almost. But with 2 players going agasint those poket Ace;s one most Always gets OUT.
ESPN has made this game, no doubt.
Now Everyone thinks they are great Hold-Em players!
Yes there is some skill to this game for sure. But when one understands a few simple things about probability in this game it all gets on a much more even playing field.
As most of the world has watched on TV many times. how many times have you seen someone go all in with a pair of jacks or below and the other person calls with 2 over cards. Well this turns into almost a coin flip as you have noticed.
The play comes into this game once someone has a hand "made". Most of the time they check and try to trap the other person, or persons into a check raise position. Again there is some play to this game, buts it all comes down to the river in most cases.
Someone above mentioned that LOTS of these players are in the same stable....Well TRUE !
Most of these guys are playing someone elses money as the backer put the money up in the first place.
How many times have you watched some GREAT player make a terrible play in the headups match? Well many as the blinds go up fast and they could be backed by the same stable.
I promise you that a guy from right around here that has NEVER played in a BIG tounament, which is a "good" player got into the final 50 of this years WSOP.
Now once again he was lucky to get that far as he was ALL in many times thorughout the tourney, and got lucky a few times to get that far also.
And YES you would be an Underdog to any that you mentioned, but if cards RAN over you at the right time you would bust those guys as well.
Ifn ya dont catch em, ya cant play em!
One more thing, how many times have you seen those pocket Ace's get beat, well it happens all the time, i used to deal this game. I swear they lose more than they win, will almost. But with 2 players going agasint those poket Ace;s one most Always gets OUT.
ESPN has made this game, no doubt.
Now Everyone thinks they are great Hold-Em players!
