Terrible call in the 9th...huge arguments for awhile

Bennyshoe · Oct 12, 2005

Here starts the huge argument about the terrible call against the Angels

quantumleap · Oct 12, 2005

Pure hor$e$hit!

The catcher knew whether he caught the ball or not. He would have thrown to 1st had it hit the ground.

Bennyshoe · Oct 12, 2005

That was a terrible call. Unbelieveable. The home plate umpire gave that game to the WSOX. They'll be talking about this for awhile.

Bennyshoe · Oct 12, 2005

The umpire called that ball with authority so the catcher threw the ball back into the field.

So the umpire screwed the Angels by reversing his initial decision.

nhoj · Oct 12, 2005

Wow

We will hear about this one for a while that was Crap call. Oh well angels +1.5 cashes. Astros killed me with that last meaning less run they got to go over in the game.

Illini · Oct 12, 2005

Superbowl said:
The umpire called that ball with authority so the catcher threw the ball back into the field.

So the umpire screwed the Angels by reversing his initial decision.

Wrong. It was a horrible call, but he called it a no catch from the get-go. That is why his hand made the safe signal. There is nothing to call on a swing, just whether or not he caught it. And he clearly called that he didn't catch it. But it was a terrible call.

jwblue · Oct 12, 2005

What is the rule on that? If the Umpire gives that signal, is he out or does the catcher still need to make the throw regardless of whether the signal was made?

We don't know if the umpire said out. Will have to read Paul's quotes tomorrow.

IS

Anonymous1 · Oct 12, 2005

is there a need for replay in the layoffs..YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Illini · Oct 12, 2005

InSpades said:
What is the rule on that? If the Umpire gives that signal, is he out or does the catcher still need to make the throw regardless of whether the signal was made?

IS

He made a safe signal, signaling no catch.

Deuceman · Oct 12, 2005

AJ said the ump never said "OUT" so he ran like a mofo down to 1st... I agree it's a BS call... but i'm a SOX fan and didn't bet the game. Feeling bad for all you Angel's bettors out there... ouch.

mrpotter1 · Oct 12, 2005

Illini said:
He made a safe signal, signaling no catch.

I'm not sure what game you were watching? He brought his arm up in front of him while making a fist. Clearly the sign for the hitter being out. This was a total joke.

BookieNemesis · Oct 12, 2005

That ball DID HIT the ground. In super slow-mo, it hit the ground as that dummy Josh Paul caught it. If it was Benji Molina, he would have tagged the hitter. I watched him play and he ALWAYS tag the hitter.

So I think the rule goes like this. If the ball hit the ground on the third strike, the runner needs to be tagged or thrown out at first. It is exactly like a ground ball.

Deuceman · Oct 12, 2005

BookieNemesis said:
That ball DID HIT the ground. In super slow-mo, it hit the ground as that dummy Jose Molina caught it. If it was Benji Molina, he would have tagged the hitter. I watched him play and he ALWAYS tag the hitter.

So I think the rule goes like this. If the ball hit the ground on the third strike, the runner needs to be tagged or thrown out at first. It is exactly like a ground ball.

Correction -- It was Josh Paul catching... not a Molina.

Bennyshoe · Oct 12, 2005

They're saying the the umpire made a sign but it wasn't clear if it was a "strike" call or an "out" call. So vague.

Everyone thinks he made the "no contact" call and then an "out" call. But maybe he didn't verbally say out but we don't know.

mrpotter1 · Oct 12, 2005

BookieNemesis said:
That ball DID HIT the ground. In super slow-mo, it hit the ground as that dummy Jose Molina caught it. If it was Benji Molina, he would have tagged the hitter. I watched him play and he ALWAYS tag the hitter.

So I think the rule goes like this. If the ball hit the ground on the third strike, the runner needs to be tagged or thrown out at first. It is exactly like a ground ball.

And if you were paying attention you would have known that it was Josh Paul behind the plate!!:lolBIG:

Bennyshoe · Oct 12, 2005

Funny Ozzie is so vague w/ his answers about the call. He probably knows it was a crappy call but what can he say? All of the Wsox will see it was a bad call.

Illini · Oct 12, 2005

mrpotter1 said:
I'm not sure what game you were watching? He brought his arm up in front of him while making a fist. Clearly the sign for the hitter being out. This was a total joke.

Check the replay then, ok? Trust me, I know what I'm talking about here. He made a no catch signal, before anything else.

BookieNemesis · Oct 12, 2005

The umpire did make the "strike-out" call. But not the "out" call. A strike out is not necesarily an out if the ball hit the dirt. Hitter is strike out but still need to be tagged or thrown out. I hope I'm clear about this.

CruiseMayhem · Oct 12, 2005

BookieNemesis said:
The umpire did make the "strike-out" call. But not the "out" call. A strike out is not necesarily an out if the ball hit the dirt. Hitter is strike out but still need to be tagged or thrown out. I hope I'm clear about this.

Just as long as you are clear that it was not Jose Molina who was catching!
:lolBIG:

barman · Oct 13, 2005

ILLINI's explanation matches my own experience as a baseball umpire (kids through mens amateur).

The initial sign was a downward slash of the right hand, which indicates "bounced pitch", followed by a short pumped fist motion which is "Strike Three" (not Ball four...which was the other possibility on that particular pitch).

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Angels catcher blew the play, plain and simple. Sucks to put it on him, but he's the one who "tossed" the game away with his careless response.

Every catcher is trained to ALWAYS tag the runner if there's ANY doubt.

The ump may have misread the bounce, but his actions following were consistent with a decision that's what he saw.

He didn't reverse anything.