Question for Chuck Simms

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 19, 2005

Chuck Simms,

I am garnering more and more respect for this man every day. His assessment of the BoS group only gets more and more real as I deal with them more and more.

I would like to know if you think I will have any problems with any of the books I am currently using (besides Millennium):

CRIS
BoDog
First Fidelity
5 Dimes
Guardian Guaranty
Heritage
Hollywood
Legendz
V-Wager
WWTS

Most interested in your assessment of Heritage. I have never played with most of these books before this season, but I have done nothing but win at Heritage and they owe me a good chunk right now.

What other books do you recommend?

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

ChuckSims · Oct 19, 2005

BWE, No immediate red flags on any of the books mentioned. However, with the kind of money you bet I would prefer to be in top shelf books, like Pinnacle or WSEX.

Heritage is well known for not tolerating winners. Never heard of a stiff job. They also advertise here and at EOG so I would not fear of not getting paid.

I am glad you are seeing the light on the scam tout Phil Steele. He will lead you to the poor house.

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 19, 2005

Thanks.

Phil Steele has done me in so far this season. I am in plus territory at every single book mentioned above right now with the exception of Millennium because they are the only ones that will hold the lines for Phil Steele's plays.

Millennium, even with their "this doesn't even make sense" bonus has still kicked my ass this season...thanks only to the Millennium printing press, aka Phil Steele.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

MillenniumSportsbook · Oct 19, 2005

Books Worst Enemy said:
Thanks.

Phil Steele has done me in so far this season. I am in plus territory at every single book mentioned above right now with the exception of Millennium because they are the only ones that will hold the lines for Phil Steele's plays.

Millennium, even with their "this doesn't even make sense" bonus has still kicked my ass this season...thanks only to the Millennium printing press, aka Phil Steele.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

I think you have a problem with Mr. Steele, not Millennium. You sink or swim with touts and Millennium merely accomodates clients of Steele for 30 minutes of his major releases. If Steele is not successful for you then you should divorce him, not the sportsbook. Is it true to say that you would have lost at any other sportsbook using his same exact plays?

Hitman26 · Oct 19, 2005

Millennium Sportsbook * said:
I think you have a problem with Mr. Steele, not Millennium. You sink or swim with touts and Millennium merely accomodates clients of Steele for 30 minutes of his major releases. If Steele is not successful for you then you should divorce him, not the sportsbook. Is it true to say that you would have lost at any other sportsbook using his same exact plays?

Good post. BWE, if you know Steele is releasing losing selections on purpose then you should be able to make a killing elsewhere. In fact you will be a zillionare after the end of next year. I think it's a great promo that you guys are running with Steele becasue he does move the lines (not as much as he use to) but it gives his clients a chance to grab the nice numbers.

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 20, 2005

Does Phil Steele have an agreement with Millennium Sports to share in player's losses?

He used to make a big deal about how he doesn't do that. I haven't heard him bring that up in a long time.

As a long term follower of Phil Steele, does it not make sense to think like this? Look at the man's resume. Look at the sum of his plays over the last 4.5 years. There is no connection.

My god, he promotes himself as a college football handicapper, first and foremost. His Top Weekly College Play is 43% ATS since 09/21/02. The conspiracy theory makes the most sense for me. And it really helps explain the last two pre-seasons.

I know you guys would never admit it even if it were true. But my little theory helps me sleep better at night. You guys have made a nice profit off me, both at Millennium and at Northcoast over the years, so the least you can do is ignore me and let me tout my conspiracy theories. Nobody's listening to me anyway.

Besides, I keep thinking I've figured out when Phl is allowed to win and when he's not...translated...I am still paying Northcoast for losing picks and Milleinnium remains the only book that will honor the lines on the tape. Regretably, I am one of your best customers.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

Hitman26 · Oct 20, 2005

BWE:

If making money betting football was as easy as getting Phil's picks and getting the right numbers, then everybody would be doing it. On the flip side if making money was as easy as fading Steele's picks, everybody would be doing it and making a killing. For the last 5 years Steele can't beat the vig just like 99 percent of the rest of the world.

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 20, 2005

I still say there is no way Phil Steele can't beat the spread consistently. He just has too much information in his head by the time he researches and writes the presason magazine and then writes PowerSweep and PowerPlays every week.
The conspiracy theory makes the most sense for me. Were he not pushing one book over all the others I would be a lot less likely to jump to this conclusion.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

Hitman26 · Oct 20, 2005

BWE:

Just give me a comment on this statement then, "If you think Steele is releasing losers on purpose, then shouldn't you be betting the opposite sides and cleaning up?" Seems like you have discovered the holy grail of betting and you should be printing money every Saturday.

Please respond to this BWE.

ChuckSims · Oct 20, 2005

BWE, I want to scream when bettors are led to the slaughterhouse by Phil Steele. If someone mentioned to me that there was a winning tout that gave out more winners than losers and that the book he shills for even holds the line so you can get your bets down I would say, you're joking, right? Who would fall for this set-up?

Hitman26 · Oct 20, 2005

Chuck:

Do you believe that money can be made by simply fading all of Phil's picks? Is it really that easy?

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 20, 2005

Hitman,

Phil is winning on Saturdays and giving it back on Sundays this year. The last two or three years, it has been the other way around. I've never seen him win both regular seasons, pro and college, in the same year. That's why I am trying to figure out when he's allowed to win and with what plays. It's a shell game for the psychos like me and for all the other sane people it is obvious the guy just sucks.

The problem for me is, by the time I am convinced the winners are under a certain shell, the shells have been moved again.

I know what you're thinking. I'm nuts. And you are probably right. But I just might muster the balls to fade Phil's NFL the rest of the season. Problem with that is, even if he's trying to lose, he is due for some winning Sundays. The guy can't be right all the time, can he?

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

Hitman26 · Oct 20, 2005

48-52%. Over the course of about 1,000 plays, I think Phil falls somewhere in this range, just like the rest of us. Can't win money in that range unless you are lineshopping and vig shopping.

TTinCO · Oct 20, 2005

BWE, Phil\Northcoast used to do reasonably well. They also used to OWN Preseason NFL....he's had 2 years (including this one) of pure hell.

I'm not sure if he's over his prime or is just getting smacked by what many would call a "market correction".

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 20, 2005

Phil bragged and bragged and bragged about NFL regular season for the last two years. It only makes sense that Millennium was seeing a lot more action on Phil's NFL plays at the start of the season than they were two years ago.

And the NFL plays this season: If memory serves me, he has gone 1-2 every week this season, with the exception of last Sunday, which was 1-1-1.

Yes...I'm nuts. But the conspiracy theory is a perfect explanation for the sudden turn of luck. The problem lies in trying to predict when the luck will turn on the late phone sheep. Will they be lead to slaughter after two years of winning or will they hold out for a third year and harvest more sheep (bankrolls)?

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

BooksWorstEnemy · Oct 20, 2005

TTinco,

The Market Correctin theory doesn't hold water with me. Were he not shilling for one sportsbook, it might. But he has even more experience now than he had before the "corrrection".

If you look at any of his long term plays that he touts to suck the sheep into slaughter, the win percentages fall a little more with each play every year.

I was one of the sheep slaughtered in the most recent pre-season. I am Steele licking my wounds from that one. The beneficiary? You guessed it....Betmill. Because they were the only ones holding the lines.

Later,
Books Worst Enemy

WildBill · Oct 20, 2005

My honest feeling about Phil is he just tried to hard to make money off of it. He used to have only a few outlets for his plays and he was extremely strong back then. Now he has 50 different flavors of plays on his 900 numbers, he goes on radio shows and does contests, has two different newsletters, etc. When he was kicking ass he had Power Sweep and Late Phones pretty much. Now with so many ways to release a game and his luck running bad he probably is all messed up saying "is this my ACC game, my underdog game, my top play...or do I just flip a coin?"

People sure can take shots at him now, but I know a couple of people who swore by him in the 80s and made a KILLING! Best of all, before he really took off, when you would see his plays move a line 4 points in Vegas (before offshores) and it still would cover. Its all past glory now, but still Steele was a serious money maker back in the day.

Question for Chuck Simms

Search

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

ChuckSims

New member

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

MillenniumSportsbook

New member

Hitman26

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

Hitman26

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

Hitman26

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out

ChuckSims

New member

Hitman26

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

Hitman26

Give BB 2.5k he makes it 20k within 3 months 99out

TTinCO

.

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

BooksWorstEnemy

New member

WildBill

New member

Forum statistics

Share this page