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    Thanks BB,
    People think you just learn basic strategy and count cards and that is all there is to it. There are so many more concepts that can be much more profitable to the player, but to try and explain to the person that cannot even master game specific basic strategy is pointless.
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    just talked to my neighbor..who is a bj dealer here in vegas and he said that about 75% of their winnings come from being the last at the table to play....people having 14 vs. a dealers up card of a ten...therefore player thinks they must hit because they think dealers hole card is ten....player catches an eight busts out and dealer shows a six....does not have to draw because player has already lost....think about 75% of winners because dealer gets to play last....sux doesn't it...he said even if the table is full of players...someone there will screw it up by splitting a pair when they shouldn't...doubling down when they shouldn't...taking the dealers bust card by hitting a 12...you know stupid shit like that....really screws up a great game...but always remember...the dealers get to play last...my 2 cents jeffksu
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    Dealers are the last person to take advice from, usually they dont know squat, as it shows for your neighbor, sorry jeff.

    There is no such thing as bad play affecting your long term result, sure the ass whipe who splits the 10's, or hits the 16 with a dealer 6 up card, pisses ya off, but it has no long term disadvantage, except it sticks in your memory forever. sometimes it can eat up a high count, but still, remember, card dont have a memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffksu
    just talked to my neighbor..who is a bj dealer here in vegas and he said that about 75% of their winnings come from being the last at the table to play....people having 14 vs. a dealers up card of a ten...therefore player thinks they must hit because they think dealers hole card is ten....player catches an eight busts out and dealer shows a six....does not have to draw because player has already lost....think about 75% of winners because dealer gets to play last....sux doesn't it...he said even if the table is full of players...someone there will screw it up by splitting a pair when they shouldn't...doubling down when they shouldn't...taking the dealers bust card by hitting a 12...you know stupid shit like that....really screws up a great game...but always remember...the dealers get to play last...my 2 cents jeffksu
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    Mimicking the dealer's rules is an awful way to play ! Dealer shows 6, you don't bust your hand ever ! Dealer rules would have you hit a 16, for example.

    Proper play like this helps to equalize the sides ( dealer having advantage of playing last) card counting and subsequent variance in bet sizing can put the player at an advantage.
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    Because you play first! If you break and then the dealer breaks, you lose!
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    my point exactly...bigbet1234...you may be right but bring your ass to vegas and put up your money against my neighbor and i'll stand back and laugh at your ass as he breaks it down and bleeds you to the poor house...come on..put up or shut up...jeffksu...my point is well taken by doug j. and rrogr sure there are good runs and bad ones but there's a lot of variables in the game....bigbet are you going to hit a 16 against the dealers up card of a 10...that's all i need to know...
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    Jeff, with all due respect, you have no clue what you are talking about. I would be happy to play against your neighbor, that is if it is a worth while game. he probably deals at a burn joint, that gives lousy pen, and poor rules.

    About hitting the 16, sure I would, basic strat says hit. Now, if counting, and it is a neutral, or negative count, you bet your ass i hit it, and if it is positve count, i stand, or surrender, if it is offered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffksu
    my point exactly...bigbet1234...you may be right but bring your ass to vegas and put up your money against my neighbor and i'll stand back and laugh at your ass as he breaks it down and bleeds you to the poor house...come on..put up or shut up...jeffksu...my point is well taken by doug j. and rrogr sure there are good runs and bad ones but there's a lot of variables in the game....bigbet are you going to hit a 16 against the dealers up card of a 10...that's all i need to know...
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    of course hitting 14, 15 16, vs a 7,8,9,10,A is correct.

    jeff,
    most dealers dont really know how to play, they know how to deal. your neighbor is incorrect
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    Bigbet is right on 16 vs 10, it's a very close call. Hit if negative, stand if positive true count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
    of course hitting 14, 15 16, vs a 7,8,9,10,A is correct.

    jeff,
    most dealers dont really know how to play, they know how to deal. your neighbor is incorrect
    True, most dealers give bad advice, like always insure a blackjack.
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    is the rio a burn joint that has lousy pen and a good game...i would rather put my money on the casino...than any player...you included bigbet1234...hell after about losing 2 3 or 4 grand you'd find some sad story about things and have to quit....i'm sure there would be some kind of drama coming with it....let's just leave it at that....and next time your in vegas and want to impress folks like you do give me a call and i'll gather the troops and come on down and watch...
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    Jeff, last time, yeah, Rio is a burn joint. Leave the gambling to the pros, and the dealing to dealers. what i win or lose doesnt matter. when i share my stories it is to let john q public no that is it tough. i can take a beating, and in my 10 years of ADVANTAGE play i have had my ups and downs, but always, and i mean always come out on top in the long run.

    BOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffksu
    is the rio a burn joint that has lousy pen and a good game...i would rather put my money on the casino...than any player...you included bigbet1234...hell after about losing 2 3 or 4 grand you'd find some sad story about things and have to quit....i'm sure there would be some kind of drama coming with it....let's just leave it at that....and next time your in vegas and want to impress folks like you do give me a call and i'll gather the troops and come on down and watch...
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    good luck to you as well...jeffksu
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    Does counting cards at a casino actually help? The few times I've played at Foxwoods they play with about six decks and reshuffle about a third of the way through
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    With the right pen, and rules, yeah, you can win long term.

    with 6 decks, you need about 4.5 decks dealt, and with 8 decks you need to see about 6 decks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slick69
    Does counting cards at a casino actually help? The few times I've played at Foxwoods they play with about six decks and reshuffle about a third of the way through
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    Quote Originally Posted by slick69
    Does counting cards at a casino actually help? The few times I've played at Foxwoods they play with about six decks and reshuffle about a third of the way through
    That's a pretty unbeatable game ( awful penetration). Your only chance here is to pull off impossibly large bet spreads like $25 as your small bet, and $500 + as your big bet, when you get the start of a good shoe ( which gets prematurely shuffled). Casino unlikely to accept that play, plus you need a big bank.

    I hate both CT casinos. Only thing you can beat there is live poker ( Fox only). I doubt they even have beatable video poker, that's Fish's territory, he'd need the pay scales.

    Can't think of anything else beatable, except maybe horses for the select few good enough at that.
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    Bigbet,
    You know far more than the average square. I agree with everything in your post.
    Sorry boys, I can guarantee you bigbet is right.

    And yes, dealers are some of the worst players in the world. The Rio has horrible BJ rules, and it is proper to deviate your strategy based on the composition of the remaining cards in the deck. Another player hitting or standing or even splitting improperly has zero long term effect on you winning or losing.
    Once you have memorized matrixes from Wong's professional blackjack, then you can have an educated opinion.
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    counting cards for years, the local riverboats use to be worth while for back counting, but that has since went to hell with 8 deck, 4 deck cut .

    Still like the el cortez SD, and LVC too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenDoberman
    Bigbet,
    You know far more than the average square. I agree with everything in your post.
    Sorry boys, I can guarantee you bigbet is right.

    And yes, dealers are some of the worst players in the world. The Rio has horrible BJ rules, and it is proper to deviate your strategy based on the composition of the remaining cards in the deck. Another player hitting or standing or even splitting improperly has zero long term effect on you winning or losing.
    Once you have memorized matrixes from Wong's professional blackjack, then you can have an educated opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Judge Wapner
    The house gets the edge because you have to play before the dealer, and if you bust, house wins.
    This is the key...the dealer never has to hit a 16 after you already broke trying to acheive your 17. Also, I think your advantage in playing BJ truly lies in your ability to double down, or split, or get paid 3/2 on blackjack which the house doesn't ever get. Playing the house straight up, without getting into "Bonus" possibilities will make you a loser in the long run IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Millennium Sportsbook *
    This is the key...the dealer never has to hit a 16 after you already broke trying to acheive your 17. Also, I think your advantage in playing BJ truly lies in your ability to double down, or split, or get paid 3/2 on blackjack which the house doesn't ever get. Playing the house straight up, without getting into "Bonus" possibilities will make you a loser in the long run IMO.
    Absolutely ! Doubling down is big for the player, never doubling loses a lot, splitting is important too. The house edge over a player following dealer rules is huge, I've seen the number somewhere, I want to say well over 10% . The 3-2 on BJ certainly counts as well, but not as much.

    Consider a player playing 1,000 hands and going 500-500 will make money.
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    i believe if you play flawless basic strategy which isnt hard, house has like 1.46% edge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE CLOSER
    i believe if you play flawless basic strategy which isnt hard, house has like 1.46% edge...
    Something like that, I think a bet less, though ! It depends on rules... Is BJ 3-2 or 6-5, double down allowed after splits, surrender allowed, and other factors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THE CLOSER
    i believe if you play flawless basic strategy which isnt hard, house has like 1.46% edge...
    With 8 decks, dealer stands of soft 17, double after split, double any two cards, resplit to 4 hands, and no surrender the house advantage is 0.433%

    The only way it gets better is with less decks or late surrender.
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    Dealer stand on 17, DD on anything, surrender option, double after splits, resplit aces twice...rules WA available at $25+ tables in Vegas w/basic strategy house edge is I believe 0.16% or 50.08% dealer to 49.92% player. Obviously it doesn't take much from there to get above 50% with counting and comps. And with a little bit of luck...

    At that house edge 0.16% you could bet $100/hand at 60 hands/hour for 4 hours in a day and your expected table loss for the day is a grand total of $38.40.
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    The dealer has the advantage no matter what rules you play because YOU bust first not them!
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