"bad" line cancel

<yoursportsbookhere> reserves the right to cancel any wager made on an obviously "bad" line or a wager made after an event has started.

Anyone ever seen this happen?

What constitutes an ' obviously "bad" ' line? I can see the need for protection like -200 is posted at +200 but they <the sportsbooks> don't give any example so theoritically a 2dime diff between the crowd might qualify.

Obvious bad line is for example...Cardinals are plus 3, but the obvious bad line would be Cardinals plus 30.

Bad lines are a little like what the Supreme Court has said constitutes pornography -- I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT.

Got an example to consider?

SaigonBookie said:

Obvious bad line is for example...Cardinals are plus 3, but the obvious bad line would be Cardinals plus 30.

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Agree - that kinda goes with my -200 / +200 example. Both would be "obvious" IMO. But was wandering how unobvious the obvious is AND does it ever happen.

D2bets said:

Bad lines are a little like what the Supreme Court has said constitutes pornography -- I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT.

Got an example to consider?

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A "good" line IMO would be where your looking to play the underdog (NCAAF) at +1.5 when you see another book has it at +3 at same juice. OK, so when does a good line go bad a.k.a. if its to good to be true it is.
Goes bad at +5, +7, +?

And the other part of the question - have you ever heard of this happening?

Thx.

Of course it happens. I think of bad lines more as scrivener's errors. It should not be used because the book made a poor DECISION in the line it posted, but only if a reasonable person knew or should have known that the number was put up errenously. So if the line is +3 and it says +30 -- clearly a scrivener's error.

The second prong of the equation is the mechanics used by the book to cancel. It needs to be done within a reasonable amount of time and conveyed to the player in a reasonable manner.

Each case has to be analyzed on its facts and all are different.

"Bad Line" is never defined by a book, however, if it reasonable to assume as an informed consumer that the line is in error, then the book may claim it is bad. As stated above, typos, wrong favorites happen frequently. In those situations my advise is to call the book (or on line help), alert of the possible "bad line", if the line manager says its good (they sometimes don't like to admit the error), then bet the line and request a transcript of the conversation (on line) or name of person on phone, noting the time of the call in your records.

What tends to happen as\nd pisses off the bettor is when a book is "slow" to move a line, creating an opportunity for the bettor.

An example was the CBB Michigan/Iowa game. Line opened at around -800/+650 and then began to go down to to -600/+450. But one of my books never moved the line. So I took -600 and scalped it with +650 for a nickel early in the day. About 2 hours after my wager, the book I played +650 called me to say they were cancelling the wager becuase it was a "bad line". I had to jump through a few hopes to show them that the line was "good" early in the day based on conversion of the ATS line and other books "history" of line moves that day (pinny). I finally was abe to prove my point and they let the wager stand, unfortunately they no longer looked at me as a "square" and watched my play more closely. Ultimately they kicked me out.

assassin said:

"Bad Line" is never defined by a book, however, if it reasonable to assume as an informed consumer that the line is in error, then the book may claim it is bad. As stated above, typos, wrong favorites happen frequently. In those situations my advise is to call the book (or on line help), alert of the possible "bad line", if the line manager says its good (they sometimes don't like to admit the error), then bet the line and request a transcript of the conversation (on line) or name of person on phone, noting the time of the call in your records.

What tends to happen as\nd pisses off the bettor is when a book is "slow" to move a line, creating an opportunity for the bettor.

An example was the CBB Michigan/Iowa game. Line opened at around -800/+650 and then began to go down to to -600/+450. But one of my books never moved the line. So I took -600 and scalped it with +650 for a nickel early in the day. About 2 hours after my wager, the book I played +650 called me to say they were cancelling the wager becuase it was a "bad line". I had to jump through a few hopes to show them that the line was "good" early in the day based on conversion of the ATS line and other books "history" of line moves that day (pinny). I finally was abe to prove my point and they let the wager stand, unfortunately they no longer looked at me as a "square" and watched my play more closely. Ultimately they kicked me out.

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This was one of the conditions I was wondering about. You're now on the line for the -600 play without the scalp and probably at more $$$ than you would have been otherwise. It's good to know that you might be able to appeal the decision. I guess you could back out the play by taking the other side but lose the juice.

Do you think they cancelled any bets at the -800 line :lolBIG:

I remember playing a "marginal" line at WSEX that they phoned to cancel. The following week I played a similar "marginal" line with them but phoned ahead for verification.

These are the only instances that I have considered to not be "obviously" bad lines.

Obviously bad are easy to spot such as a clerk listing -150/+130 instead of +130/-150 where they just transpose the teams.

TowtheLine said:

This was one of the conditions I was wondering about. You're now on the line for the -600 play without the scalp and probably at more $$$ than you would have been otherwise. It's good to know that you might be able to appeal the decision. I guess you could back out the play by taking the other side but lose the juice.

Do you think they cancelled any bets at the -800 line :lolBIG:

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I'm sure they didn't. They tried to cancel a NFL prop after the game once, total punts >4, syaing they meant for the prop only to be for the first half. They ultimately agreed to keep that one as well, since they never notified me before the game started.

I only ever got them on a win with two other dog over +200 (Winthrop +330 vs troy in November, tehn wintrop +245 vs. Auston Peay), most of the time I lost their side of the scalp on the big dogs; however I won their side of the scalp on underpriced favorites quite often.

Getting hit for $3,250 was a wake up call for those yahoos. If they had not, I would defitiely have scalped out at a loss as risking $3,000 was too much for me.