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will we see some of the 2nd tier books pulling a houdini? From my take, the books are taking it straight up the arse.

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One thing for certain and that is it is extremely important to proceed with EXTRA caution in the upcoming weeks as we near the end of football season.

Without question the offshore industry will see a few 2nd tier books fold up shop and probably leave their clients hung out to dry.
 

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What would some consider a 2nd tier book? anything less than a B rating on SBR?
 

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I wouldn't be surprised to see some of the "good" books disappear or get bought out. I wouldn't be surprised to find out a lot of them have needed to borrow money from places (that is if those places can afford it as well)


This so called "bookmaking" they have been doing the past few years is finally catching up with them. People are not losing like they used to, in fact more are winning. Has nothing to do with them getting better, it has more to do with the teams that are playing.

A lot of these games should be -14 or so, if they were that yesterday there would have been a couple more dogs that covered. But 9/10 simply isn't enough. But they (the books) are more concerned with teasers I guess, so they don't want to "give" too many points to the dogs (thus letting people tease them UP) so they post mediocre numbers that people will crush.

So books are still "gambling' to some extent, but at this point maybe some of them have to.

When you see them lowering teaser pay oss, lowering limits on a drop of a hat, holding vig odds instead of moving the line, it tells me all I need to know.

I am closing a few accounts this week. Not for fear, but because I am not using them anyways. So I am not going to leave that money in there just to get one or two bets a month out of them. 90% of my action ofshore is at Pinny and a couiple exchanges. But I will also say this, I am not as confident in Pinnacle as I was a couple months ago.
 

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yes in double deed!!!,...hey i dont care what kind of re-up,...new special person deal you got,.......hey ive seen stuff,...been througha little myself,...f,...all the deals,...it really comes down to legitimate places and geting paid,.....i could give 3 f's on what kind of deal some place offered you over the phone/through the mail etc,........in fact when i play i dont even want the special deals because withthat,...they dont let you withdraw,...and beleive me,...getting paid will be your number one agenda!!!!!:suomi:
 

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what would you consider trojan, and 777rock? 77rock, backed by delmar is solid by me.

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You also have to remember, when the public wins, Sharps for the most part lose. Nowadays, I wouldnt be suprised if there isnt just about as many sharps as squares out there.

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Would certainly consider any book with less than ONE year in business as having at least one criteria for having them being classified a 2nd tier book.
 

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Do we have to be concerned with Pinny to me these guys are sound operators?
 

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So which books do we think we have to worry about? At the moment I am at Heritage and would hate to leave there. If I did leave there, I would hate to leave to a book that has less financial strength. Any help or advice would help us all.
 
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I would be very, very surprised if you had ANYTHING at all to worry about with Heritage. I consider them solid as a rock.
 

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Trojan would definitely be considered a risk. They may end up being a quality out down the road, but this is their first football season.

Seeing what a nut job their GM is when he comes on here without taking his meds, that would be another reason to use caution.

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