Can you give me an opinion on this decision by ABC Islands?

esl25 · Nov 25, 2005

I bet a football prop on yesterday's Denver vs. Dallas game. The wager was for which pair of running backs would have the most rushing yards:
Tatum Bell + Mike Anderson -12.5 vs.
Julius Jones + Marion Barber +12.5
I bet T. Bell + M. Anderson -12.5. I turn on the game to see that Bell isn't playing so I figure the wager should be cancelled. I check my account this morning to find that my wager was graded as a loss. I called customer service and spoke with a manager and was given the reply that because Mike Anderson played, the wager had action.
Does anybody here disagree with their decision? Shouldn't the wager have been graded as a push?

Can a moderator here help me out?

G.MONEY · Nov 25, 2005

Sometimes in these type of wagers I have seen it were it says both must play...If that was not stated I think you have a problem...But there are many here much more Knowlegable then me............G.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

What were the disclaimers(if any) that were listed with the wager?

Also, is there anything in the house rules purtaining to a wager like this?

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

As GMONEY stated, most books have a disclaimer mentioning that both players must play.

Again, this is an individual sportsbook rule.

Duke1 · Nov 25, 2005

That's a tought loss. Unfortunately, if they both played, I think the bet has action. Just like in baseball, if the starting pitcher throws 1 pitch, it is action. See what others say, but just my opinion.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

Duke 1 said:
That's a tought loss. Unfortunately, if they both played, I think the bet has action. Just like in baseball, if the starting pitcher throws 1 pitch, it is action. See what others say, but just my opinion.

However he is stating one player did NOT play.

go2guy · Nov 25, 2005

esl25 said:
I bet a football prop on yesterday's Denver vs. Dallas game. The wager was for which pair of running backs would have the most rushing yards:
Tatum Bell + Mike Anderson -12.5 vs.
Julius Jones + Marion Barber +12.5
I bet T. Bell + M. Anderson -12.5. I turn on the game to see that Bell isn't playing so I figure the wager should be cancelled. I check my account this morning to find that my wager was graded as a loss. I called customer service and spoke with a manager and was given the reply that because Mike Anderson played, the wager had action.
Does anybody here disagree with their decision? Shouldn't the wager have been graded as a push?

Can a moderator here help me out?

That's bull crap! Most prop bets have all players need to play in order to have action. GL trying to get this corrected and please tell us which book pull this stunt.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

If they had no disclaimers stating BOTH must play for action OR if such is not listed in their house rules, you will be out of luck.

esl25 · Nov 25, 2005

I think Bell was deactivated prior to the game and Dayne took his place. In there rules they state:
"Football, Basketball and Hockey player props: both players must play in the game to have action except in pool events."
I've been playing there for almost two years now and I know that they graded a wager as a push in the same situation some time last football season. In that situation, my bet would have won. Unfortunately, I can only see the bets that I placed in the last 30 days.

go2guy · Nov 25, 2005

Oops looked at the title of your post again and saw it was ABC Island. Not surprised. GL to you.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

go2guy said:
That's bull crap! Most prop bets have all players need to play in order to have action. GL trying to get this corrected and please tell us which book pull this stunt.

I agree, but the question again comes down to the disclaimers listed WITH the wager and/or house rules.

As is the case many times, PROPS can be a royal pain in the butt when it comes to wagering rules.

Gosh knows, have had my share of personal disputes over the years on various props.......on both sides of the counter.

Duke1 · Nov 25, 2005

If Bell didnt play, I think you absolutely should get a refund. I would definitely get a moderator to help

esl25 · Nov 25, 2005

Isn't it also silly because Bell's status was announced prior to the game. So anyone who knew this could have easily bet the other side of the wager knowing that Anderson would only be getting about half of the carries in the game, and so he would need one helluva a game to beat both Jones and Barber by 12.5 yards.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

Duke 1 said:
If Bell didnt play, I think you absolutely should get a refund. I would definitely get a moderator to help[/QUOT

Duke--Again, this must be stipulated with DISCLAIMERS or in the house rules.

If not, all wagers are ACTION on this wager!!

Open to any and all other opinions, but that would be my ruling with no disclaimers mentioning BOTH players must play for action.

esl25 · Nov 25, 2005

In there house rules, it states:

"Football, Basketball and Hockey player props: both players must play in the game to have action except in pool events."
Wouldn't that translate to both players in a rushing pair must play in order for the game to have action?

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

esl25 said:
In there house rules, it states:

"Football, Basketball and Hockey player props: both players must play in the game to have action except in pool events."
Wouldn't that translate to both players in a rushing pair must play in order for the game to have action?

Umm, that rule implies BOTH players in a one vs. one match-up...........not necessarily a two vs two match-up.

This is definetly a touchy situation.

What we have here is a sportsbook that basically can make-up their own decision on the results since no disclaimers were mentioned.

With NO DISCLAIMER, they could rule EITHER way.............which is not good.

It appears that this is a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation........for the players too.

In truthfulness, they should have listed SOME type of disclaimer on this wager, as their house rules do not clearly define what should happen if only one player actually plays.

Railbird · Nov 25, 2005

ABC use to be a top 5 book, how did they fall to an obscure book?

winkyduck · Nov 25, 2005

real simple

Had you won this - they would have said "No Action" since not all 4 went

Because it went against you they let it stand "As Is"

5teamparlay · Nov 25, 2005

Call them up. Depending on how much you have in there etc. (and previous action) They may help you out. If not ask to get transferred to withdrawals, (at that time they should credit you), if not clear the account out and get a nice bonus at book here at the RX. (hopefully that bonus would cover the bet).

In the past I have by dropped the RX into the conversation as a last resort and all got cleared up quickly.

Fishhead · Nov 25, 2005

Been in contact with ABC ..........be patient.

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