hey fats,...yeah,....the good ol ,...and i mean old computer hooked up to the direct box with the satellite card,....boy i was so damn proud of myself,.......i coppied like probally 20 pages,...and programed it step by step,......boy what a feeling that was,....ha??,...when you first slide that(well i forget the tecnical name of it) into the receiver,...while the reader has the slave h card,...and you hear the beep,....next thing ya know,...your watchin the one eyed ballet channels,..........................oh good gosh,...then on to dish,....i just loved dish,....i can honestly say,...the people who did it for a hobby,.....seeeeemed like way more advanced than the idiots dish had employed,.......ahhhh that was good fun,.....................................yeah so i got like,..probally 15-20 yellow cards here and looked through them,...i think i have 2 that meet the requirements,...but just have not kept up and i probally need to read up on it,as i dont want to let things pass me up,...................what i really,...really need is a jtag set up,....i had one with my old computer back in the good ol days but ,..for the last few months it has just been impossible for my computer/jtag to work right,.............i got the old cheap version,...that hooks up to the computer,...and then you plug the receiver in,.....it sucks,...infact i gave up on it,..................................the one thing i do have is all the horse racing channels on a old dish receiver and a real old primestar ku band dish, if you ever know anyone who is into the ponys,.........................................theres nothing like playing shi tin in hong kong at 3 in the morning after gambling all day on football