yep, i hear ya,...man i had this toshiba,.....gosh darn,..had a cabinet built into it underneith,..glass dorrs,..it was a 61 inch standard screen,...you know?,..i mean it was large and in charge back in its day,....and i mean huge(heavy),..had casters,..so if it needed to be just wheeled along it was fine,.....amyhow man this tv had more houres on it than???,..hm,..well your worst joke,..you know,......so before it croaked i figured i would get rid of it,....i mean not to mess anyone up,..it was working fine, but dang it had so many hours on it,..i just wanted to get something for it before it was to late,......so low and behold i got 600 for it,.....that was awesome!!,...the only downfall was ,..that i told the buyer to bring some buds, because it was heavy,...well,...he showed up by himself,../////me and him loaded that 61 inch,...had to have been 275 pounds up,...from my BASEMENT,...i mean i bout died,....ohhh wouldnt want to do it again