100 %, 15X rollover by book is NOT giving the store away !

Doug · Jan 1, 2006

Consider $100 with $100 bonus ( like Betonstars). $200 requires $3000 in action. I'm using win not risk amounts, close enough.

3300 to win 3000 is the total action

I could do 3150 to win 3000 at Trojan

$150 more in juice, should cost about $75 more

It's like a 25% bonus vs. -105

Good enough deal, but not something that should scare anyone away from a book offering it, add in the 22 wagering days requirement, the book ain't that dumb. It's hard to do, and most players will bust out before they collect, maybe intentionally, maybe not.

Pretty smart offer, IMO !

Fishhead · Jan 1, 2006

Interesting, funny, and all so true.

cincy_ · Jan 1, 2006

DougJ said:
It's hard to do, and most players will bust out before they collect, maybe intentionally, maybe not.

Pretty smart offer, IMO !

I always intentionally scalp out of these books. One of the reasons I have been able to beat Pinny - because I am not really beating them, I am just transferring 90-95% of my bonus money there.

Doug · Jan 1, 2006

It's not as good as it sounds, when you think about it, still a 25% bonus on -105 is great.

A book could pretty easily offer a 100% bonus with a 30X roll, as a re-up ALL THE TIME. I don't see why that couldn't be a standard standing option, but not too many would opt for it. The book of course has to be a -110 book.

BaseballGuy · Jan 1, 2006

I don't think the rollover is tough to overcome, but it does kind of put a hamper on your wagering. Whenever I play knowing that there is some kind of wagering requirement I lose.

ChuckSims · Jan 1, 2006

There probably is no store to give away.

Doug · Jan 1, 2006

BaseballGuy said:
I don't think the rollover is tough to overcome, but it does kind of put a hamper on your wagering. Whenever I play knowing that there is some kind of wagering requirement I lose.

But the rollover combined with full juice vs. -105 ( or lower) eats the bonus.That's where they get you. I bet Jay would let me re-up for 100% bonus repeatedly, if I called him and requested it.

cincy_ · Jan 1, 2006

DougJ said:
It's not as good as it sounds, when you think about it, still a 25% bonus on -105 is great.

A book could pretty easily offer a 100% bonus with a 30X roll, as a re-up ALL THE TIME. I don't see why that couldn't be a standard standing option, but not too many would opt for it. The book of course has to be a -110 book.

If I could find 4 or 5 books that gave me 100% bonus with a 30x rollover on re-ups, I would be a RICH RICH man.

I would keep scalping the entire deposits against each other. If I built up a large balance in one book, it would be 8-10 times larger than the original deposit so rolling it over 3-4 times would be a breeze.

Once I got a 40% bonus at Heritage with a 10x rollover. At the same time, WSEX was giving 20% bonuses with a 5x rollover. I kept losing at WSEX, kept winning at Heritage , kept getting more 20% bonuses at WSEX and had the thing rolled over in 7 days.

Doug · Jan 1, 2006

I'd have to give that some furthur thought, but the full juice would seem to eat the bonus at 30 X.

Doug · Jan 1, 2006

cincy_ said:
If I could find 4 or 5 books that gave me 100% bonus with a 30x rollover on re-ups, I would be a RICH RICH man.

I would keep scalping the entire deposits against each other. If I built up a large balance in one book, it would be 8-10 times larger than the original deposit so rolling it over 3-4 times would be a breeze.

Once I got a 40% bonus at Heritage with a 10x rollover. At the same time, WSEX was giving 20% bonuses with a 5x rollover. I kept losing at WSEX, kept winning at Heritage , kept getting more 20% bonuses at WSEX and had the thing rolled over in 7 days.

That would work very well if limits were decent, you'd be constantly betting limits and short circuiting the rollovers. Jay wants steady type bets of similar amounts, a player playing that way may receive a 100% bonus, but not the guy maxing out, and doubling up, he'll usually lose, but when he wins, he's going to win a lot from you.