Was a tough break for Toronto, Mo Pete is their best perimeter defender and had the task of defending VC. The way the game went Toronto still should've won but VC went off for 32 in the second half after only scoring 10 in the first.
Last two 3's for Vince were tough shots anyways though.
Not sure what the latest is but he might be suspended tonight after his little tirade after the ejection.
Last two 3's for Vince were tough shots anyways though.
Not sure what the latest is but he might be suspended tonight after his little tirade after the ejection.
It was fastest whistle in the NBA Steve Javie. Also fastest T in the league, fastest ejector. So nothing new for him. Timing is everything, and right at end of first half, James gets T'd up, on a bs call, then Mo Pete gets T'd up on a worse bs call. He is steamed. Old pal Vince comes over and taunts him, slaps him, good natured or not. But timing could not have been worse. Mo Pete loses it and slaps him back, not so friendly. He gets 2nd unrelated T. Auto eject. Also, striking another player is auto suspend, just like leaving bench during a brawl. In that same last minute, Bosh gets called for a total bs offensive foul. Is this a Rod Thorn former NBA exec team or what? Would be different if this team had that kind of rep, but they don't.
Both of Vince's trey's were unguarded, as two players sagged back, and both rushed to him on the first one, oops. On the next one Kidd passes to him standing behind the arc. It was a helter skelter last 10 second play as it came off a missed ft with no to's left. Kidd could have handed Vince the ball as the spacing was that bad. One defender could have guarded both. But, again, no defenders were anywhere. I think they already went to the locker room thinking game was won. I already had a nasty 2/10's of a second bad beat courtesy of DFish, on a catch, turn, fade and shoot in less that 2/10's, which is physically impossible. At least this was a legit score, and unless they go to 100's of seconds, it will be my book of bad beats record for least time remaining when beat. More importantly, is Mo Pete suspended or not?
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Both of Vince's trey's were unguarded, as two players sagged back, and both rushed to him on the first one, oops. On the next one Kidd passes to him standing behind the arc. It was a helter skelter last 10 second play as it came off a missed ft with no to's left. Kidd could have handed Vince the ball as the spacing was that bad. One defender could have guarded both. But, again, no defenders were anywhere. I think they already went to the locker room thinking game was won. I already had a nasty 2/10's of a second bad beat courtesy of DFish, on a catch, turn, fade and shoot in less that 2/10's, which is physically impossible. At least this was a legit score, and unless they go to 100's of seconds, it will be my book of bad beats record for least time remaining when beat. More importantly, is Mo Pete suspended or not?
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OMNIVOROUS FROG said:It was fastest whistle in the NBA Steve Javie. Also fastest T in the league, fastest ejector. So nothing new for him. Timing is everything, and right at end of first half, James gets T'd up, on a bs call, then Mo Pete gets T'd up on a worse bs call. He is steamed. Old pal Vince comes over and taunts him, slaps him, good natured or not. But timing could not have been worse. Mo Pete loses it and slaps him back, not so friendly. He gets 2nd unrelated T. Auto eject. Also, striking another player is auto suspend, just like leaving bench during a brawl. In that same last minute, Bosh gets called for a total bs offensive foul. Is this a Rod Thorn former NBA exec team or what? Would be different if this team had that kind of rep, but they don't.
Both of Vince's trey's were unguarded, as two players sagged back, and both rushed to him on the first one, oops. On the next one Kidd passes to him standing behind the arc. It was a helter skelter last 10 second play as it came off a missed ft with no to's left. Kidd could have handed Vince the ball as the spacing was that bad. One defender could have guarded both. But, again, no defenders were anywhere. I think they already went to the locker room thinking game was won. I already had a nasty 2/10's of a second bad beat courtesy of DFish, on a catch, turn, fade and shoot in less that 2/10's, which is physically impossible. At least this was a legit score, and unless they go to 100's of seconds, it will be my book of bad beats record for least time remaining when beat. More importantly, is Mo Pete suspended or not?
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In depth description but I don't agree its fully accurate.
I don't see how you can question whether or not they were kidding around. They are good friends and during the two "slaps" they both had half smiles on their faces. To say Mo Pete lost it and slapped VC with purpose is erroneous.
On the game winning three Calderon had a hand up, wasn't wide open. Plus he was fading away from 2-3 feet behind the arc. Wasn't as if anybody was going to block it. I can't believe Toronto let up because they figured it was in the bag with a full seven seconds to go after the FT miss. It was just a fire drill play where they got lucky and a player hits a tough shot.
And Mo Pete is not suspended.
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Peterson got a technical for arguing a no-call late in the first half. About a minute later, Carter playfully slapped his ex-teammate in the face. An annoyed Peterson then slapped Carter.
Official Steve Javie didn't see the Carter slap, but he saw Peterson's and ejected him.
Carter, who is friends with Peterson, went to Javie to argue the call but to no avail.
Carter played for the Raptors from 1998-99 until being traded to the Nets in December 2004.
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If you say so. I guess annoyed and playfully mean the same thing. As far as the second shot, the game winner, looked to me as the defender was on the right hand side of Kidd, who passed about 3 ft to Vince, who was all alone, I guess that is why Kidd passed to him. It was a open look 3 ft beyond the arc, about 1 O'clock, standing under the rim. Better watch replay again.
Like I said, the two t's were unrelated, Carter was playing but Mo was hot from previous t. He was not in a playful mood. After your observations I will wait and see what Stu Jackson has to say. I am a bit skeptical of the NBA league office.
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Raptors' Peterson ejected after slapping Carter
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Peterson got a technical for arguing a no-call late in the first half. About a minute later, Carter playfully slapped his ex-teammate in the face. An annoyed Peterson then slapped Carter.
Official Steve Javie didn't see the Carter slap, but he saw Peterson's and ejected him.
Carter, who is friends with Peterson, went to Javie to argue the call but to no avail.
Carter played for the Raptors from 1998-99 until being traded to the Nets in December 2004.
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If you say so. I guess annoyed and playfully mean the same thing. As far as the second shot, the game winner, looked to me as the defender was on the right hand side of Kidd, who passed about 3 ft to Vince, who was all alone, I guess that is why Kidd passed to him. It was a open look 3 ft beyond the arc, about 1 O'clock, standing under the rim. Better watch replay again.
Like I said, the two t's were unrelated, Carter was playing but Mo was hot from previous t. He was not in a playful mood. After your observations I will wait and see what Stu Jackson has to say. I am a bit skeptical of the NBA league office.
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Steve Javie has one of the, if not the worst rep in the league as a hot head and t first, ask questions later. He lost his composure also, and has been known to take it out, on a team that messes with him. James gets t'd, then Mo Pete gets fouled, no call, argues, gets t'd, gets slapped, slaps back, get's t'd and ejected. Bosh goes for layup, offensive foul, and Stevie was getting ready to t him up. I thought it all happened in last minute of the first half. NBA league pass worth it sometimes. Players and coaches know, Steve Javie is a powder keg. Yesterday he got arguing bad against Raptors. Even Vince knew it was wrong, tried to help out. Mr. Javie showed us, he is the boss.
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As I said in my last post Mo Pete is not going to be suspended. Stu Jackson talked with Sam Mitchell and no suspension is going to result.
And I just watched the replay of the winning three at NBA.com. Calderon had a hand up and actually had to pull back slightly not to foul VC. Wide open is a real stretch.
And I just watched the replay of the winning three at NBA.com. Calderon had a hand up and actually had to pull back slightly not to foul VC. Wide open is a real stretch.
Well, since we cannot play it here, if you say so. Just like how can I say Mo did not playfully slap Vince. Except that one has written proof saying same as me. Let's see, Mo Pete get jobbed on a noncall after James complains and gets T'd, so he gets T'd and is even more pissed, then to add fuel to inferno punk friend Vince slaps him, a total insult even playing around, let alone when you are less than a minute removed from being t'd up, after your teammate just got t'd up. So he instantly regains his composure, and just playfully slaps Vince the punk back, how can I say otherwise?
And Kidd passed to Vince for the last shot, with time running down to nothing, because he had a defender on him. Who had to pull up to avoid fouling him? Huh? If the guy was that close, and it was a bang/bang play, why would Kidd pass to him? He was also hot from the arc and with the clock getting near zero, would think Vince was an open enough man to launch the 3, with enough time and open enough look to risk the pass at all.
I think you are trying a bit too hard to look for something wrong in my description. Were you 3 way calling with Stu and Sam? Name source please.
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And Kidd passed to Vince for the last shot, with time running down to nothing, because he had a defender on him. Who had to pull up to avoid fouling him? Huh? If the guy was that close, and it was a bang/bang play, why would Kidd pass to him? He was also hot from the arc and with the clock getting near zero, would think Vince was an open enough man to launch the 3, with enough time and open enough look to risk the pass at all.
I think you are trying a bit too hard to look for something wrong in my description. Were you 3 way calling with Stu and Sam? Name source please.
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I tried to copy the video, defender actually did drop his hand, giving Vince the wide open look. I guess that is up to interpretation. To me, guy was off and hand was down when he shot, I consider it wide open. Not worth arguing over by any means.
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Video no workee, source NBA.com crunchtime.
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Video no workee, source NBA.com crunchtime.
so when you "lose it" you go around weakly slapping whoever's in your path? Sure Mo Pete wasn't in a gay mood but he didn't have any malicious intent at all. If a friend of yours punches you in the shoulder what happens next? You punch him in the shoulder. Perhaps you are a slightly annoyed but its still in a friendly jest.
Kidd passed it to Vince because that was Kidd does, he assists scorers. Carter had been red hot in the second half and being a point guard he threw the ball to VC. Nothing about how the defense was playing. Its not very difficult to put up a fadeway three (a few feet behind the arc to boot) in transition. How can you really defend that? With it being only a two point game Toronto couldn't double team Carter or protect the perimeter. Nor could they play so tight to foul. As I mentioned earlier you can always say Carter is open on his jumper because you're not going to block it with the vertical he has, especially if he is fading also.
And it was reported on the fan590 in Toronto this conversation took place. No need for wisecracks. I don't make up secret inside infomation.
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Kidd passed it to Vince because that was Kidd does, he assists scorers. Carter had been red hot in the second half and being a point guard he threw the ball to VC. Nothing about how the defense was playing. Its not very difficult to put up a fadeway three (a few feet behind the arc to boot) in transition. How can you really defend that? With it being only a two point game Toronto couldn't double team Carter or protect the perimeter. Nor could they play so tight to foul. As I mentioned earlier you can always say Carter is open on his jumper because you're not going to block it with the vertical he has, especially if he is fading also.
And it was reported on the fan590 in Toronto this conversation took place. No need for wisecracks. I don't make up secret inside infomation.
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Die Frog Die! :lolBIG:Whatever you say, I did not write article, so the writer is also wrong. I never said it was an easy shot, I said it was an open look. The defender was guarding the perimeter, it was a stand at a spot one of us will be open, Kidd drove by him and either handed it back or passed a very short pass. The defender was inside the arc, badly mistimed his jump and knew it, had to drop hand and drop down, giving Vince a wide open look. Just hard to trust someone spreading so much disinformation on other issues, why should I trust anything you say. And yes, if I am agitated, or heated, and no doubt Mo Pete was at this juncture, I would slap Vince without a smile, not playing around. In fact, the article says the same thing. If you want me to die, just say it, but don't make shit up.
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Lousy lying AP. An annoyed Peterson then slapped Carter.
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Lousy lying AP. An annoyed Peterson then slapped Carter.
