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NEW YORK, Jan 26 (Reuters) - Payment services group First Data Corp. (FDC.N: Quote, Profile, Research) on Thursday unveiled plans to spin off fast-growing Western Union, the world's largest money transfer provider, but the company will keep its slower-growth card-issuing and merchant-processing units.
First Data hired investment bank Morgan Stanley last November to review its struggling card unit and later expanded the review. Even so, spinning off Western Union came as a surprise.
The company plans a 100-percent, tax-free spin-off to shareholders, creating a publicly listed company with forecast annual revenue growth in the mid-teens. No terms were given.
Chief Executive Ric Duques, who returned from retirement in November to help revamp the company, said the move will appeal to a wide variety of shareholders and brings an end to the company's strategic review.
"There could be some shift of shareholders ... but there were too many synergies between the card business and our merchant business to ignore," Duques told Reuters.
Western Union, a 155-year-old company that built the first transcontinental telegraph line during the U.S. Civil War, accounted for about 40 percent of First Data's 2005 revenue of $10.5 billion. The unit's revenue rose 10 percent in the year.
Individual customers use Western Union's network of over 225,000 agent locations in more than 195 countries to wire money. The rising number of expatriate workers sending money home, particularly to developing countries, is driving growth in the money transfer market, analysts said.
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For First Data's remaining merchant-processing and card-issuing divisions, the company is targeting combined revenue growth of about 8 percent. Duques could not put a market value on Western Union but said there were only four other companies in the world of similar size and financial profile; these, on average, were valued at about $27 billion


Following the deal, Denver-based First Data said it would reorganize into three divisions -- financial institution services, commercial services and international.
The spin-off was designed to help boost First Data's share price, which has lagged competitors over the past year. Its shares had risen about 5.8 percent to Wednesday's close while the S&P Data Processing and Outsourced Services Index <.GSPTKDP> tracking its peers has risen 9.7 percent.
News of the Western Union spin-off sent First Data shares up 5.5 percent to $45.35 on the New York Stock Exchange.
Duques said First Data had decided to keep its U.S. card unit as there was much overlap with its merchant business but it will seek to strengthen the division, cutting $75 million in costs over the next two years after recent job cuts.
Analysts said the transaction made sense for shareholders as First Data's parts were worth more than the whole and Western Union had little in common with the others.
"We think Western Union will be more nimble on its own," said Morningstar equity analyst Mark Weber.
Dan Schatt, a senior banking analyst with Boston-based financial research and consulting firm Celent, said this was "somewhat akin to a tale of 'Beauty and the Beast.'"
"This should help transform First Data into the prince it once was and return to its core transaction processing business," Schatt said.
Duques said the company expects to complete the spin-off in the second half and will update shareholders on terms and timing when it reports first-quarter results in April.
Christina Gold, who currently runs the business, will become Western Union's chief executive. The announcement came as First Data posted a 14 percent drop in fourth-quarter net income to $397.9 million, or 52 cents a share, which fell short of expectations largely due to restructuring charges.


I love this line...

"Individual customers use Western Union's network of over 225,000 agent locations in more than 195 countries to wire money. The rising number of expatriate workers sending money home, particularly to developing countries, is driving growth in the money transfer market, analysts said"

Yeah right, no way in hell these guys make more money off gambing than anything else...
 

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I would have to disagree.. I think they make more $$ with imigrants sending $$ to loved ones out of the country.
You ever been in line trying to do a transfer on a Friday or Saturday..lots of immigrants in line sending $$ home..at least in Houston
 

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I don't know why we don't see more money transfer companys, it has got to be a cash cow.
 

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I don't know why we don't see more money transfer companys, it has got to be a cash cow.
I think it's hard to get your foot in the door. You have to get Merchants and Retailers alike to participate. I remember when I used to have to make a 35-40 minute drive to send a money gram when I started gambling in the early 90's. Now I can send western union and it's a 3 minute walk.
 

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I think it's hard to get your foot in the door. You have to get Merchants and Retailers alike to participate. I remember when I used to have to make a 35-40 minute drive to send a money gram when I started gambling in the early 90's. Now I can send western union and it's a 3 minute walk.

Did you post that you got blacklisted from WU? Maybe that was Maxdemo..

Anyway, i am BANNED for life or until i give them some info on some of the WU's i've done in the past, totalled like 90 dimes in 2003/2004 before they cut me off, then they said NO MORE FOR YOU.
 

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It seems like WU would have to make a killing, wonder what the annual net income WU takes in?
 

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Did you post that you got blacklisted from WU? Maybe that was Maxdemo..

Anyway, i am BANNED for life or until i give them some info on some of the WU's i've done in the past, totalled like 90 dimes in 2003/2004 before they cut me off, then they said NO MORE FOR YOU.
No that was not me.

But I will say this: The "patriot act" has completely ruined the good 'ol days of western union.
 

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Brock Landers said:
Did you post that you got blacklisted from WU? Maybe that was Maxdemo..

Anyway, i am BANNED for life or until i give them some info on some of the WU's i've done in the past, totalled like 90 dimes in 2003/2004 before they cut me off, then they said NO MORE FOR YOU.

iTS was me that posted this.....but I still use Western Union..5dimes will let me send them $$ using any name I want, so I just make one up
 

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iTS was me that posted this.....but I still use Western Union..5dimes will let me send them $$ using any name I want, so I just make one up

Since most books require you to send at least 1000 before they pick up fees, and if you send that much you usually have to show Id, how do you get around that?
 
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The offshore gambling industry is a drop in the bucket for WU. They are absolutely dead on about the expat workers. Anyone who lives in a US locale with any hispanic workers knows this.

Payday is WU day for these workers. They come to work in the US to support their families back home. That is their cash COW.
 

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I would never use WU ....no need IMO unless you live in a state that has no neteller
 

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Brock Landers said:
Did you post that you got blacklisted from WU? Maybe that was Maxdemo..

Anyway, i am BANNED for life or until i give them some info on some of the WU's i've done in the past, totalled like 90 dimes in 2003/2004 before they cut me off, then they said NO MORE FOR YOU.

Same thing happened to me long before that well about 4 years before that.
Once again....IT ALL LEAVES A Papertrail, and that includes Neteller as well. Someday otheres will find this out for themselves.
I have a hard time in wondering why in this world people dont find LARGE offshore shop with Agent close by and settle in CASH.
I suppose that they must get into some kind of problem before they come to the conclusion that this "could" have been handled some other kind of way. Sad but true.
 

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Same thing happened to me long before that well about 4 years before that.
Once again....IT ALL LEAVES A Papertrail, and that includes Neteller as well. Someday otheres will find this out for themselves.
I have a hard time in wondering why in this world people dont find LARGE offshore shop with Agent close by and settle in CASH.
I suppose that they must get into some kind of problem before they come to the conclusion that this "could" have been handled some other kind of way. Sad but true.

If you could explain HOW to "LARGE offshore shop with Agent close by and settle in CASH" then i am sure more of us would do it..
 

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Well there are Many that have become caught up in the Papertrail over the course of time, the last few years is prime example. obtw this number will continue to grow as long as players keep sending and withdrawing the way they are doing at this time, its just a matter of time.

Check out places like Cris, VIP and many many more shops too numberous to mention, that i know to see if they have agents Anywhere close to you.
The FIRST thing i ask ANY shop is "Do you have Agent in the Area"? If they say No, i just call another one, thats all. When i do find one that has CASH paying agents on Mondays or Tuesday in the area or even close to the area that i am in, i open small account an Start shopping "their" numbers. If the shop proves to be worthwhile to me, and i find out that they are alright, i usually add to account if i need to at that time. Quick seetlements makes for Long lasting friends!! I am NOT looking for ALL the perks that many here are looking for. I am looking for the "best"deal into the numbers, as that is alot more value to me than some little bonus.

Most if not ALL offshore shops end the week on sunday night and monday starts new week. This is good because lots of locals end week after the MNF game so i get to see where i stand on monday morning with the offshore industry and still have the MNF game going at the locals. But i do have a couple BIG offshore places for middles and i use them for that from time to time as scalping a portion of a bet is sometimes my long suit.
I myself use locals mainly as almost All offshore shops anymore the numbers are merely "painted"and that means that Almost all of them are useing the same or within a .5 of each other. Posters on the site are Always talking about gettin the best number, which is mainly my best part of the Bizz. I beat ALL the locals to the number on 90% of Every play that i make, or i Dont play.
In this day and time the way things have come down the pike in the offshore industry a player MUST have BOTH locals and Offshore accounts to insure the Best of the number at all times.
Locals that take much Bizz, could give a chit less what the offshore is useing on some game as they move "their" numbers according to "their" action. So there is ALWAYS at least a point difference in most spots on the schedule.
YES an i blew my Moeny on the Stupid Bowl with Pitt -3 -25 and Seattle +6 even, was a Tad longer to the dog.
Anyway bottom line is this Always get the BEST number, no matter what an you will have better winning percentage of the course of Any amount of time.
Always settle in CASH, and you will not be in the Papertrail Jackpot someday as many others will.
Play Smart.
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Thanks Brock Landers for the question. I was just getting ready to do the same.

Insiders: thanks for the response. I have seen you allude to this type of setup with offshores having local agents in the past. I didn't know that that option was even available! Thanks again.
 

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If memory serves me correctly i am almost sure that Hollywood has Agents up and down the left coast. One would think they would with a name like Hollywood! One would think?
 

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Well i am not going to "put the finger on anyone" first off.
But its common knowledge to most that there are agents for offshore books in most parts of the country these days. The list would probably not fit on this forum. Besides who know you might be the FBI or something along that line as this is cyberspace and anything is possible, sometimes even probable. obtw things that some find impossible are usually right under their nose.
 

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