Aikman: HOF???

docmercer--banned · Jan 30, 2006

Wow ...

a guy never drafted by ANY fantasy league is HOFer ... sad indeed

Aikman is one of the most over hyped qbs and to see him in the HOF is really sickening ..

Please, lets talk reality ... Aikman has SB rings ... guys like Sonny Jurgenson do not EOD

Being a member of the HOF means little with Aikman going in on the 1st ballot

RobFunk · Jan 30, 2006

Probably because he is a brodcaster

CAPNCRUNCH · Jan 30, 2006

doc mercer said:
Wow ...

a guy never drafted by ANY fantasy league is HOFer ... sad indeed

Aikman is one of the most over hyped qbs and to see him in the HOF is really sickening ..

Please, lets talk reality ... Aikman has SB rings ... guys like Sonny Jurgenson do not EOD

Being a member of the HOF means little with Aikman going in on the 1st ballot

Everybody forgets when GQ Magazine reported Aikman was queer! He quickly got married after that ! :lolBIG: P.S. Jurgenson easily, much better than Aikman!

docmercer--banned · Jan 30, 2006

that was funny, CC ...

Good memory!!

HinesWard86 · Jan 30, 2006

He gets in just because it's precedent. He is the present-day Bart Starr or Bob Griese

THEPOSTMAN! · Jan 30, 2006

The guy was consistent and a had a good arm. I don't even like the Cowboys but I think he should get in.

uppy:

Journeyman · Jan 30, 2006

3 time SB Champ, SB MVP, most wins for a QB in any decade, Aikman has to be in....although I will say this his stats are very average, passer rating low 80's TD to INT ratio not all that great (in his era)

Had he not been on the Cowboys and won 3 SBs he would not make it, you cannot take that away though, he is obviously in.

roach23 · Jan 30, 2006

If Aikman deserves to be in the hall...so does Randall

http://www.slate.com/id/2070146/

poopah · Jan 30, 2006

wow, apparantley you guys forgot the most important aspect of being a QB, winning. Any one who thinks Aikman is not a HOF just has no clue what the NFL HOF is all about, it's about winners, and yes if brady retired now he would be a first ballot HOF too. Football is the ultimate team sport, and the biggest number that matters is wins, and superbowls. Lets not forget, in his prime he was one of the most accurate passers to play the game, and managed the game like no other. If Aikman is not a first Ballot HOF then there is no such thing.

ClipJoint · Jan 30, 2006

roach23 said:
If Aikman deserves to be in the hall...so does Randall

http://www.slate.com/id/2070146/

WOW!!! Randall threw 42 more TDs and 7 less Ints! Never would have guessed either of those numbers.

Journeyman · Jan 30, 2006

The Cowboys didn't pile up the points like the 49ers did, and they were a run first team.

Aikman was a very good deep ball passer though.

primetime21+ · Jan 30, 2006

I hate the cowboys, but aikman was in a different class than randall. Randall wasn't a winner, he just put up good stats on ok teams. Aikman was the definition of a winner. He had a good enough team around him so he was up 20 points in the fourth quarter and never had to put up big numbers in the 4th quarter to pad his career stats.

Anyone that ever watched football during that era knows who was better. It wasnt even close. Aikman also had emmit smith who hogged many of the TDs and action. Cunningham didnt have to share the ball with a HOF RB.

ClipJoint · Jan 30, 2006

primetime21 said:
I hate the cowboys, but aikman was in a different class than randall. Randall wasn't a winner, he just put up good stats on ok teams. Aikman was the definition of a winner. He had a good enough team around him so he was up 20 points in the fourth quarter and never had to put up big numbers in the 4th quarter to pad his career stats.

Anyone that ever watched football during that era knows who was better. It wasnt even close. Aikman also had emmit smith who hogged many of the TDs and action. Cunningham didnt have to share the ball with a HOF RB.

Randall was given much better defenses as far as the team went, but his offensive line was HORRID. He also never had the benefit of a running game. He was the running game.

Randall still did just fine at Minnesota as a passer when he was given a running game and offensive weapons even at the end of his career...he did plenty of winning there (just not in the playoffs).

primetime21+ · Jan 30, 2006

Clip Joint said:
he did plenty of winning there (just not in the playoffs).

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uppy:

ClipJoint · Jan 30, 2006

1998: 15-1

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winkyduck · Jan 31, 2006

poopah said:
wow, apparantley you guys forgot the most important aspect of being a QB, winning. Any one who thinks Aikman is not a HOF just has no clue what the NFL HOF is all about, it's about winners, and yes if brady retired now he would be a first ballot HOF too. Football is the ultimate team sport, and the biggest number that matters is wins, and superbowls. Lets not forget, in his prime he was one of the most accurate passers to play the game, and managed the game like no other. If Aikman is not a first Ballot HOF then there is no such thing.

and apparently you missed out where most of the game aikman turned around and handed the ball to #22 and that was that

aikman belongs in the "Hall fo Very Good"

Hall of Fame?

NO WAY

but having said that he is a LOCK to be chosen in a few days along with Racist Reggie White

CHOPTALK · Jan 31, 2006

The NFL Hall of Fame is a 1st class joke!!!! Half the Pittsburgh Steelers would not be in the hall had thay not played for Pittsburgh.

You cant tell me that Aikman was better than Archie Manning, Warren Moon, Cunningham etc........

Vinney Testaverde was a better QB than Aikman. If he would have played his prime in Dallas insteed of Tampa and Cleveland he would have 3 SuperBowl rings too.

There are several people in the Dallas organization who felt the Cowboys played better football under Steve Berline when Aikman was hurt.

TTinCO · Jan 31, 2006

Journeyman said:
3 time SB Champ, SB MVP, most wins for a QB in any decade

That's enough to get him in. Sometimes it's about the big picture of the accomplishments than personal stats. Not saying it's right, but there will be a lot of people who immediately say yes if they know those #'s.

Higgory4 · Jan 31, 2006

aikman may not have had great stats but had he not played for such a great team he could have put up those stats, he played for the win and not for those stats, he had a cannon on him and was extremely accurate, he threw the intermediate and long ball to novacek and harper, respectively, as well as anyone in the game could, and you are entitled to your opinion, but i would like to see one thing that shows why testaverde would have been a better qb on that team, vinny always made the one big mistake to hurt his team, that was what aikman didnt do, and one last thing, last time i checked, not being drafted onto a fantasy team doesnt disqualify you from the hof

uscmd · Jan 31, 2006

I started this thinking yes.........but then got the stats below top 20 in 4 categorys. attempts, completions, yards and td's

Besides Aikmans stats he has the thing great qb's need to be considered really great, multiple super bowl wins. Unitas, Starr, Staubach, Bradshaw, Farve, Montana, Young, Elway, Brady.........and the exception Marino who's a cinch because of his stats....sb or not.

But.....upon further review, maybe not. It doesn't say much when the only category's you are in...is attempts (17) and completions (12).,.,.not yards or td's. Still if kelly got in....isn't aikman comprable? Tarkenton?

What about Testeverde?

below *= hof

att's td's
Dan Marino * 8358 1 Dan Marino * 420
2 John Elway * 7250 2 BRETT FAVRE 376
3 BRETT FAVRE 7003 3 Fran Tarkenton * 342
4 Warren Moon 6823 4 John Elway * 300
5 Fran Tarkenton * 6467 5 Warren Moon 291
6 VINNY TESTAVERDE 6420 6 Johnny Unitas * 290
7 DREW BLEDSOE 6049 7 Joe Montana * 273
8 Dan Fouts * 5604 8 VINNY TESTAVERDE 268
9 Joe Montana * 5391 9 Dave Krieg 261
10 Dave Krieg 5311 10 Sonny Jurgensen * 255
11 Boomer Esiason 5205 11 Dan Fouts * 254
12 Johnny Unitas * 5186 12 Boomer Esiason 247
13 Jim Hart 5076 13 John Hadl 244
14 Steve DeBerg 5024 14 Y.A. Tittle * 242
15 Jim Everett 4923 15 Len Dawson * 239
16 Jim Kelly * 4779 16 Jim Kelly * 237
17 Troy Aikman 4715 17 George Blanda * 236
18 John Hadl 4687 18 Steve Young * 232
19 Phil Simms 4647 19 DREW BLEDSOE 221
20 Joe Ferguson 4519 20 PEYTON MANNING 216

comp's tot yds
1 Dan Marino * 4967 1 Dan Marino * 61,361
2 BRETT FAVRE 4306 2 John Elway * 51,475
3 John Elway * 4123 3 BRETT FAVRE 49,734
4 Warren Moon 3988 4 Warren Moon 49,325
5 Fran Tarkenton * 3686 5 Fran Tarkenton * 47,003
6 VINNY TESTAVERDE 3631 6 VINNY TESTAVERDE 44,475
7 DREW BLEDSOE 3449 7 Dan Fouts * 43,040
8 Joe Montana * 3409 8 Joe Montana * 40,551
9 Dan Fouts * 3297 9 Johnny Unitas * 40,239
10 Dave Krieg 3105 10 DREW BLEDSOE 39,808
11 Boomer Esiason 2969 11 Dave Krieg 38,147
12 Troy Aikman 2898 12 Boomer Esiason 37,920
13T Jim Kelly * 2874 13 Jim Kelly * 35,467
13T Steve DeBerg 2874 14 Jim Everett 34,837
15 Jim Everett 2841 15 Jim Hart 34,665
16 Johnny Unitas * 2830 16 Steve DeBerg 34,241
17 Steve Young * 2667 17 John Hadl 33,503
18 Ken Anderson 2654 18 Phil Simms 33,462
19 Jim Hart 2593 19 Steve Young * 33,124
20 Phil Simms 2576 20 Y. A. Tittle * 33,070

Bottomline.....it might be close, and his being a pretty good announcer and likely to be on air for some time won't hurt