Do you think most people that gamble are the ones that shouldn't?

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A few years ago I would have agreed with gambling being legal. However, we now have the casino's in the world trying to outgrow one another right in our own backyards across America and the increase in bankruptcy cases and home foreclosure's have grown exponentially.

The sad thing about it to is the ones who are barely making it are the same ones who head to the casino pay check in hopes of that big score. When they lose as they will sooner or later, it turns into a downward spiral that gets them deeper and deeper into dept.

Whether you call it a disease, weakness, good old fun or the work of the devil the bottom line it is not productive for our society except for the few on the top of the feeding chain. In the long run we all pay for legalized gaming.

Heres an example:

Last year I was volunteering for 5 months at a local hospital. The night janitor is a guy I talked to everyday I was there. He is hard working family guy who owns his own house and from all outward appearances doing fine. This night he really looked bad so I asked him if he was all right. He confided in me that he was in trouble. It seems he has a gambling problem. A problem he never knew he had until one day a few years back he stopped at the casino on his way home from work and won a few bucks.

Well that turned into a few times a week and before you know it he was several thousand in dept. By then he said he had to get out of debt so he started using his credit cards to gamble. To make a long story short over the course of the 5 months I knew him he ended up close to $50,000 in dept.

He ended up taking out a second mortgage to get out from under and promised his wife he would not gamble any more. Then he told me a few nights previous to our chat he had stopped by the casino and was going to play just a little. He had been out of dept for less than a week. Well when he lost a few thousand in the first night he paniced and within a week he had lost $27,000 more. Now he had a 50,000 dollar second mortgage and $27,000 on high interest cards.

My first instinct was to yell at him and tell him he was an idiot but when i looked at him I knew i could say nothing worse to him that he had said to himself. I still can hear the last thing he said to me. "Why did I do it?" While I am a firm believer we are responsible for our ations I also believe that all of us have our weaknesses and call it addictive behaiver, lack of will power or what ever you like one thing is certain. Before that casino came to our state, this man may have had the same problem but there was no outlet for him to lose everything he worked for. This is not just a few people that this is happening to here it is believed that over 40% of the people gambling at the casinios are in above their heads and it is impacting the family life. The sad thing is it is not just these people it affects but its their children who suffer. Myself being 23, I'm trying to learn from other peoples mistakes.

Whats worse is that the majority of people this casino employees are making under $20,000 a year making them in a state that considers 18,500 the poverty level part of the working poor. The lions share of the profits go to the top 2% of the organization.

All I can think of to was a article I read in the paper last summer where one of the high mucky mucks in the casinio threw a birthday party for his wife and shelled out over 1 million dollars. I thought, my friends $77,000 paid for about 15 minutes of the party.

It will only take him twenty years to pay it off. :Sad Face:
 

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A few years ago I would have agreed with gambling being legal. However, we now have the casino's in the world trying to outgrow one another right in our own backyards across America and the increase in bankruptcy cases and home foreclosure's have grown exponentially.

The sad thing about it to is the ones who are barely making it are the same ones who head to the casino pay check in hopes of that big score. When they lose as they will sooner or later, it turns into a downward spiral that gets them deeper and deeper into dept.

Whether you call it a disease, weakness, good old fun or the work of the devil the bottom line it is not productive for our society except for the few on the top of the feeding chain. In the long run we all pay for legalized gaming.

Heres an example:

Last year I was volunteering for 5 months at a local hospital. The night janitor is a guy I talked to everyday I was there. He is hard working family guy who owns his own house and from all outward appearances doing fine. This night he really looked bad so I asked him if he was all right. He confided in me that he was in trouble. It seems he has a gambling problem. A problem he never knew he had until one day a few years back he stopped at the casino on his way home from work and won a few bucks.

Well that turned into a few times a week and before you know it he was several thousand in dept. By then he said he had to get out of debt so he started using his credit cards to gamble. To make a long story short over the course of the 5 months I knew him he ended up close to $50,000 in dept.

He ended up taking out a second mortgage to get out from under and promised his wife he would not gamble any more. Then he told me a few nights previous to our chat he had stopped by the casino and was going to play just a little. He had been out of dept for less than a week. Well when he lost a few thousand in the first night he paniced and within a week he had lost $27,000 more. Now he had a 50,000 dollar second mortgage and $27,000 on high interest cards.

My first instinct was to yell at him and tell him he was an idiot but when i looked at him I knew i could say nothing worse to him that he had said to himself. I still can hear the last thing he said to me. "Why did I do it?" While I am a firm believer we are responsible for our ations I also believe that all of us have our weaknesses and call it addictive behaiver, lack of will power or what ever you like one thing is certain. Before that casino came to our state, this man may have had the same problem but there was no outlet for him to lose everything he worked for. This is not just a few people that this is happening to here it is believed that over 40% of the people gambling at the casinios are in above their heads and it is impacting the family life. The sad thing is it is not just these people it affects but its their children who suffer. Myself being 23, I'm trying to learn from other peoples mistakes.

Whats worse is that the majority of people this casino employees are making under $20,000 a year making them in a state that considers 18,500 the poverty level part of the working poor. The lions share of the profits go to the top 2% of the organization.

All I can think of to was a article I read in the paper last summer where one of the high mucky mucks in the casinio threw a birthday party for his wife and shelled out over 1 million dollars. I thought, my friends $77,000 paid for about 15 minutes of the party.

It will only take him twenty years to pay it off. :Sad Face:

What about the entertainment value? Ask all the posters here who attended the Bash if they would have had fun or already made plans for next year if there wasn't legal gambling available as part of the weekend? Most posters that attended had a blast and a lot of that stems from the gambling they took part in. It yielded many losses and the GN comes out ahead, but even with losses many still love to gamble and will come back again and again.

The fact is nowhere near 40% of people who gamble are over their heads. I would guess maybe 10% might be gambling too much money, but not all of them lose it and not all of them get in trouble because of it. Survey after survey has shown patrons of legal casinos are on average richer than the general population. That is how it should be, its not a cheap form of entertainment after all. Sure there will be vulnerable types who shouldn't be playing, but just like there are vulnerable drinkers at the bar every night too.

If government and the social commentators were serious about the problem, they would stop looking at it as all or nothing. You can implement truly effective programs that would cut out most problem gambling. However, most of those talking about problem gambling actually just don't like gambling and prefer talking of banning it. That is why things never get done right. Casinos will fight any measures that cut profits, but if regulators come to them and say look, this is how it is going to be, they would have no choice but to make changes.

A very simple way to prevent the problem you detailed is a credit system that you must get approved for to gamble over nominal amounts. If you want to be allowed to lose more than say $200 or $300 a day in all casinos, you would have to apply for permission and submit proof that you have the means to lose such amounts, after which regulators would give you a limit you could lose in a day. Make it a state-wide system and addicts really would have to resort to desperate measures to lose more. Sure there are people who can't even afford to lose that, but it would make a big difference to the problem as a whole, but people seem to either be all or nothing these days so I have little hope a common sense system like this ever gains traction. Casinos obviously won't support it and it would hurt them financially without a doubt, but if those are the terms they have to operate under I can assure you they will.
 
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I do not think it, I know it. Who do you think plays the lotteries, the people that can least afford to. Why, they want that free ride out. El Lotteria. And you know what, the people just keep on getting taken, because states have a profit in it. What do they return to the pools, 50% or less? Who is going to regulate the profits on the people who regulate? And the way the feds are tightening up money for the states, thanks Katrina, I see no incentive from them to not take advantage of those that should not be gambling. That is a sad story about your janitor friend. He just got sucked in. Name your poison, slow death tobacco, faster booze, fastest drugs. Gamble away at Lottos, casinos, the internet, corner crap game, church bingo. I got fleeced, came home broke, learned my lessons many times over. He sounds a little late in life to figure out gambling carries inherent risks. Do not mean to sound unsympathetic, because obviously that is tough. But the way our world is full of paths to destruction, he made the choice to walk one. Tough story.


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Many of us have been there and done that and hopefully learned our lesson the first 100 times. Remember, there by the grace of God go I! Poor guy, thanks for relating this! And wish him well for me and I will say a little prayer for him , me, and all of us!
 

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Sometimes I think I should not gamble...might lose 4 or 5 days in a row...but I keep telling myself that you cant win if you dont play, and it has worked for me. Keep in mind that this is just sports gambling that I am talking about. Casinos are a whole different animal. If I wanted to just do Casinos then I would have been broke a long time ago...JMO
 

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Over spending is the number one cause of people going broke. That is a fact. Start telling all the damn strip malls and all of these stores not to open up. Tell SprawlMart not to open up in your neighborhood and introduce poverty level wages into your town. Tell them not to force companies out of the country because they demand lower prices. (For them, not for you) I'd say lose of jobs, low paying jobs, and the fact that everyone spends so much money is more of a problem than some casinos. Someone mentioned gambleing as entertainment. I don't drink, my friends that do will spend a few hundred in a weekend drinking at clubs. That is more than I risk gambling, hell I've made alot of money gambling too. My last trip to Vegas made me over $1,000 (and that was after paying for the trip). Keep the casinos coming and keep the sportsbooks open!!!!!
 
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Casinos are full of wall to wall suckers. They liquor you up, lubrication for free. So after you lose most rationale judgement and any disclipline you may have had, they get you to buy in with funny colored chips. Losing cash is well, not entertainment. You going to sign that mortgage and play it at the tables? Everybody is gladhanding you, setting you up to be gutted. Free show and dinner, alright, they know I am a high roller. Pretty soon, it all goes back, plus more. You use the credit cards, where you pay twice, double fees by casino and by credit card. You are already down 35% before you hit the tables. I have seen young regular yuppy couples just tilt, right at the cashier while I am cashing my Bonus Play coupons. It can be the most expensive form of entertainment ever imagined. A second and third mortgage. No kids college funds any more. What nest egg? In my early career I saw a ton of this. The Brits call it laughing skulls, or smiling losers. Kids dumped in the arcade, glazed or glassy eyed looks of disbelief. These people have lost, before they step into the place. There may be a fleeting angle on slots or BJ, but that is it. Wonder why all of the sportsbooks I used to frequent have been replaced by slots?

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I am glad my learning curve was early when I had no money. You can't protect people from themselves.. in our free country. You learn or you go broke or you do something else.:dancefool
 

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The worst form of gambling to me are these state run lottos where they hype the jackpot and plaster ads everywhere, sell the tickets at every convenience or liquor store. I mean talk about targetting people who can least afford to gamble. Plus it such a pie in the sky dream when your chances are 10 million to 1 and if you do hit it you get to pay taxes first and may see a couple hundred thousand payoff. The states hawking these million dollar dreams to folks who might be cashing a check at a liquor store are a lot worse than casinos who at least try to get you drunk or show you some white tigers or a volcano before taking your money.

I used to work at a racetrack and there was nothing worse than seeing people lined up at the lotto window with their books and papers full of numbers they had to consult. I feel pretty confident that anyone who would buy a book with a title like "Lucky Lotto Numbers' and then carry it around like it is some sort of reference guide is surely someone who shouldn't be gambling.
 

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Casinos are full of wall to wall suckers. They liquor you up, lubrication for free. So after you lose most rationale judgement and any disclipline you may have had, they get you to buy in with funny colored chips. Losing cash is well, not entertainment. You going to sign that mortgage and play it at the tables? Everybody is gladhanding you, setting you up to be gutted. Free show and dinner, alright, they know I am a high roller. Pretty soon, it all goes back, plus more. You use the credit cards, where you pay twice, double fees by casino and by credit card. You are already down 35% before you hit the tables. I have seen young regular yuppy couples just tilt, right at the cashier while I am cashing my Bonus Play coupons. It can be the most expensive form of entertainment ever imagined. A second and third mortgage. No kids college funds any more. What nest egg? In my early career I saw a ton of this. The Brits call it laughing skulls, or smiling losers. Kids dumped in the arcade, glazed or glassy eyed looks of disbelief. These people have lost, before they step into the place. There may be a fleeting angle on slots or BJ, but that is it. Wonder why all of the sportsbooks I used to frequent have been replaced by slots?

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For every 1 person you just described there are hundreds more that will max out credit cards and spend every penny of their paycheck in a mall. You talk about what the casinos do, what about society and big companies forceing new trends and fads down your throat? Making people go out and buy the newest pair of jeans or the newest TV or the newest video game system. Commericials making you think that you want or need this stuff. There are alot worse things out there than casinos, you really are getting all worked up over the wrong thing. Not many people get like that. You are right about one thing, losing your money is not entertainment, playing the game is entertainment. It just so happens that sometimes you lose your money while playing that game.
 

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"why did i do it",,i said that to myself so many times,(booze) i was lucky enough to get help,but most of my drinkin buddies died too young,,fkn addictions,happy trails
 

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Its ALL about MONEY!!!

I myself DONT like to play anything, but i do like to WIN. I play to WIN and not for the entertainment part that soooooooo many losers describe as thats what they play for.
I wouldnt play one of those slots if YOU furnished the money.
Now on the other hand i will blow a couple of bucks, thats means 2, on the Powerball Lottery once it reaches 146 million, cuase that is the "so-called" true odds of winning that thing 146 million to one!
Yes i know that after Taxes you get about half that amount, but where in this world can i play anything that pays "that" much for a dollar. Besides if a person won that lottery, it would surely be a "life changer".
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Many of you know that I am a college student who lives at home and is financially secure. I don't have to work. I just do my work in my sports media career and go to college and study. Point is that I have taken time off from gambling even if I am a small $5 wager. I like saving my money and even though I can afford to do gambling I won't. It's why my neteller is not hooked to my major bank account where all my savings and money is. Not gonna let gambling ruin my hard earned money.

I have literally closed all my online sportsbook accounts though.

The lottery is a sucker bet for those people who don't try to work hard or make their life better.
 
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heatohio said:
For every 1 person you just described there are hundreds more that will max out credit cards and spend every penny of their paycheck in a mall. You talk about what the casinos do, what about society and big companies forceing new trends and fads down your throat? Making people go out and buy the newest pair of jeans or the newest TV or the newest video game system. Commericials making you think that you want or need this stuff. There are alot worse things out there than casinos, you really are getting all worked up over the wrong thing. Not many people get like that. You are right about one thing, losing your money is not entertainment, playing the game is entertainment. It just so happens that sometimes you lose your money while playing that game.

Next time I am at the consumer abuse forum I will gladly add that. But this thread was started with a hard luck casino story so I kept it there. Hey, that is just another path of destruction. I agree with you there. As bad as casinos? At least you have a bunch of overpriced crap that was supposed to be the new thing when you are done. When you get blown out at a casino, close your eyes, what do you see? That is what you get. Casinos are built on the concept of getting people lit, and taking their money, on games they literally have no chance of winning long term. If you find the concept of playing a game where the house odds are stacked against you, is entertainment then as with any other good vice we talk about here, do it in moderation. Instead of buying an entire wardrobe, buy 1 pair of $100 designer blue jeans.

FROG, what is wrong with you, why are you so negative about casinos. Well, when younger, I fell for their traps. I had to be educated at school of hard knocks. Then I saw others, lose eveything they had, same as me but much more to lose. But the final straw was when Indian gaming started. They dealt blackjack, but had to allow you to bank or play, so I banked. I was the house. So here come the Friday night High Schoolers. The degenerates and the chronic losers. I banked, and paid the house vig. Soon I saw this was unbeatable, and formed a crew. We all cleaned up. Even with perfect play these fools would lose thier money, at the game with the lowest advantage for the house. They would play bad enough with small enough bankrolls to lose everytime. Go to the credit cards, the ATM, refill and lose. One of my crew asked me on the drive home, "Froggie, you ever feel guilty about taking the people's money?" At fisrt I felt like kicking his ass out of the car. But I am loyal, and we had just scored large as usual. I said if I am not there the Indians or someone like me will be profiting, and I cannot protect the players from themselves. Needless to say the party ended when the house could bank again. And offered none for the players. Sometimes you have to stand on the other side of the line to gain a good view. Don't get me wrong, I still go to the casinos with the wife. Play a little slots, a little 3 card poker, for entertainment only. But how many patrons are going beyond entertainment? Losing the rent, the grocery money. That and all the nasty cigarette smoke is just not entertaining to me. I would rather catch a flick or go fishing or hunting. To each his own. Do I feel sorry for the lotto victims? No. Less taxes for me. They give up 50% payback just to play, and if buy some super miracle they win, get taxed again, so in reality it is about a 75% rake of the pool. They lineup for it, good for them, it gives them hope, and then reenforces why they should not play.

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Its ALL about MONEY!!!

I don't necessarily agree.

Knew a kid growing up that bet his IROC on the SuperBowl (he was 16). He didn't need the money, his family name had plenty. The kid that took his bet was the son of a well known bookie (he didn't need the money either).
Sometimes I think it's more about the POWER, if that makes any sense.
 
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ThumperDragon said:
Insiders said:
Its ALL about MONEY!!!

I don't necessarily agree.

Knew a kid growing up that bet his IROC on the SuperBowl (he was 16). He didn't need the money, his family name had plenty. The kid that took his bet was the son of a well known bookie (he didn't need the money either).
Sometimes I think it's more about the POWER, if that makes any sense.

In Chinese cultures the wealth is secondary to the power. The wealth is just an accounting tool for the power. It makes all the sense to me.


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1. Wild Bill has a good point--limit the losses for those who have not proven they can afford it.

2. Casinos should not be allowed to assist players in getting ca$h advances from their credit cards. I know these players may still be able to get ca$h advances on their credit cards, but it should not be so easy to do right in the casino, because they are obviously playing with $$ they don't have.

3. The lottery is a tax on people who are not good at math.
 

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