When will BetCris cancel your "loyalty program"?

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

i remember reading about some of you guys who have had your loyalty programs cancelled by Cris...

at what point did this happen? how much money had you guys won from their freeplays before they cancelled your programs?

i've been using DougJ's freeplay system with all my BetCris freeplay money (using 6 separate 3-team parlays to guarantee a 75% return on total freeplay money) and i'm just wondering what i need to look out for....

don't get me wrong, i love BetCris and their loyalty program, and i can't blame them if they cancel the program once they see guys who know how to "scam" it....

i'm just curious about what to watch out for and when to expect them to cancel it....

thanks!

GREENHEAD · Feb 14, 2006

From what I just read you have NOTHING to worry about.

Halifax · Feb 14, 2006

Christian said:
i remember reading about some of you guys who have had your loyalty programs cancelled by Cris...

at what point did this happen? how much money had you guys won from their freeplays before they cancelled your programs?

i've been using DougJ's freeplay system with all my BetCris freeplay money (using 6 separate 3-team parlays to guarantee a 75% return on total freeplay money) and i'm just wondering what i need to look out for....

don't get me wrong, i love BetCris and their loyalty program, and i can't blame them if they cancel the program once they see guys who know how to "scam" it....

i'm just curious about what to watch out for and when to expect them to cancel it....

thanks!

I don't think it has much, if anything, to do with how much you win on the Bonus Plays ... it has more to do with how much money you win on real cash bets (that lead to the Bonus Plays).

I know when I got cut off, I was probably a slight loser there lifetime, but was on a serious 4-5 week winning during which I won $50-60K ... that 4-5 week winning streak was what did it, I think.

I have no idea why you're pulling the 8-team parlay crap (well, I do know why, but it's not worth it) .. that's a surefire way to end your loyalty program earlier than it otherwise would end ... just scalp the big moneyline, and take your 75-85 cents on the dollar ... the few extra cents on the dollar that you earn on the parlays may seem like a good idea in the short-term, but you're shooting yourself in the foot for the medium-to-long term.

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

GREENHEAD said:
From what I just read you have NOTHING to worry about.

i remember reading about some guys who've had their loyalty programs yanked...but i never read an actual dollar amount as to when it happened.

you would have to think that their account managers review their loyalty program participants often to see who's winning what...

and that after, for example, a customer tallies $1,500 in FP money, cashes in for $1125 and keeps doing this over and over again...

that they're eventually going to say enough's enough...

i just wanted to know at what point it happened to you guys?

oh, by the way, i meant to say using 8 3-team parlays...hate to screw up the explanation of DougJ's system...sorry Doug!

GREENHEAD · Feb 14, 2006

My understanding was if you were a pro type player,you would lose it.Steam originator,chaser or just real,real good gambler.The loyalty program was for the recreational player.Thats how it was explained to me. Good luck.

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

GREENHEAD said:
My understanding was if you were a pro type player,you would lose it.Steam originator,chaser or just real,real good gambler.The loyalty program was for the recreational player.Thats how it was explained to me. Good luck.

see, i never even had it explained to me in the first place from their CS...i just signed up with them a few months back at the start of college basketball....

your explanation makes sense, of course, my only worry is that i have a large amount of Bonus Play money that i could use now....which is why i have a big worry...

do i

a) use the 8 3-team parlays and get 75% of that FP money in cash NOW and risk not getting any more in the futre (they cut me off)

or

b) hold off a little longer, accumulate some more FP money and then at the end of the college basketball season make 8 large 3-team parlays (using ALL my accumultated FP money) and cash out with 75% of the money

i'm just trying to figure out at what point, typically, are people cut off from their program...

i do NOT want to lose the points i already have for sure....

and since i've already made some decent money from their program, i'm worried if i accumulate too many points in the future, they're going to seize them before i can cash out 75% of them...

this is what i'm trying to figure out...

GREENHEAD · Feb 14, 2006

God damn your a paranoid sob.Just go with A.

Halifax · Feb 14, 2006

Christian said:
see, i never even had it explained to me in the first place from their CS...i just signed up with them a few months back at the start of college basketball....

your explanation makes sense, of course, my only worry is that i have a large amount of Bonus Play money that i could use now....which is why i have a big worry...

do i

a) use the 8 3-team parlays and get 75% of that FP money in cash NOW and risk not getting any more in the futre (they cut me off)

or

b) hold off a little longer, accumulate some more FP money and then at the end of the college basketball season make 8 large 3-team parlays (using ALL my accumultated FP money) and cash out with 75% of the money

i'm just trying to figure out at what point, typically, are people cut off from their program...

i do NOT want to lose the points i already have for sure....

and since i've already made some decent money from their program, i'm worried if i accumulate too many points in the future, they're going to seize them before i can cash out 75% of them...

this is what i'm trying to figure out...

I don't know why you or anyone else would use the 8 3-team parlay "system" for Bonus Plays ... theoretically, it monetizes the Bonus Play to 75 cents cash per dollar (actually a bit less than that, since CRIS pays a bit less than +600), but you can easily monetize the Bonus Plays into 75 cents or more by simply scalping the big moneyline underdogs, without the inherent risk of CRIS seeing you betting the 8 parlays to guarantee an in-house risk-free profit.

Again, not a smart thing to do .. if you have funds at Pinnacle and a few other books, which I know you do, there's no logical reason to not simply scalp some moneylines at CRIS vs another book.

By the way, did you see my earlier post explaining how I got cut off from the loyalty program ?

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

GREENHEAD said:
God damn your a paranoid sob.Just go with A.

hey, all it takes is one story about some guy getting all his points confiscated to make me cautious (or as you say "paranoid")

i'm not talking about a couple hundred bucks of possible lost winnings...but a couple thousand....there's a difference there buddy.

a few extra thousand bucks won from bonus-whoring, free-plays, etc. etc. can turn a break-even bettor into a small-winner, a small-winner into moderate winner, and so and so on...

i guess you lost sight of that along the way.....

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

Halifax said:
By the way, did you see my earlier post explaining how I got cut off from the loyalty program ?

yeah, i did, thanks for the info....those were the answers i was trying to find out.

of course, i'm sure there are plenty of different ways a player gets cut-off...not just one. i was just trying to find out as many as i could.

and yeah, i can see your point about "shooting yourself in the foot long-term"

if i can rack up some more points by the end of College BB, without getting cut-off, i'll definitely look into that angle and compare the returns on investment. thanks for the info!

Journeyman · Feb 14, 2006

ridiculous to penny pinch on those Bonus Plays, you could be getting them for years instead you're going to play around like that to guarantee a small profit, makes no sense you could literally use thwe Bonus Plays to win REAL money , instead you're fooling around trying to scam them (in your own words)

to each his own IMO this is a mistake.

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

journeyman, you're telling me that if i'm a long-term winner at betcris, they're going to let me keep racking up loyalty program points for YEARS???

am i missing something here?

i know damn well they're not going to let me keep this program forever and i want to maximize it while i have i still have access to it now....

all i was trying to figure out was at what point did most of people get cut-off.

oldmanTED · Feb 14, 2006

I have earned loyalty points straight up through wagers, no bonuses, and am nearly at the maximum point level. There is no indication whatsoever that CRIS would take these away. I expect to use the dime Bonus Play soon. CRIS is not the kind of offshore book to pull points unless they are being scammed. I expect to continue earning them and cashing them in on a regular basis with no problem.

Journeyman · Feb 14, 2006

Call them and ask them, I don't think they take it away unless you're doing the things you're doing or what others have mentioned above...I know someone who took home a big chunk using the loyalty points, I wouldn't worry about it, we rarely see anyone mention being stripped of the loyalty points.

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

oldmanTED said:
I have earned loyalty points straight up through wagers, no bonuses, and am nearly at the maximum point level. There is no indication whatsoever that CRIS would take these away. I expect to use the dime Bonus Play soon. CRIS is not the kind of offshore book to pull points unless they are being scammed. I expect to continue earning them and cashing them in on a regular basis with no problem.

why try to earn the maximum freeplay amount of $1,000? you have to wager $90,000 to earn back $1,000 ($90-$1)...instead, cash it out when you get to $10,000 to earn the $150 FP ($66-$1). you're short-changing yourself by $350!

i always cash out once i reach the $10,000 level, best value.

Halifax · Feb 14, 2006

Christian, just use the Bonus Plays on a big underdog moneyline at CRIS, and scalp the other side at Pinnacle or another book ... that's a superior method anyway, compared to the 8 3-team parlay method ... you'll make more money from the Bonus Plays doing this than you will from the parlay "system", it's 100% above-board, and CRIS will have no problem with you doing this (where they almost certainly would if they knew you were using the parlay "system").

Do a search on the Rx .. there are several threads explaining how to do this.

Halifax · Feb 14, 2006

Christian said:
why try to earn the maximum freeplay amount of $1,000? you have to wager $90,000 to earn back $1,000 ($90-$1)...instead, cash it out when you get to $10,000 to earn the $150 FP ($66-$1). you're short-changing yourself by $350!

i always cash out once i reach the $10,000 level, best value.

Ted, Christian is right ... cash out in $10,000 increments for $150 Bonus Plays - that's the best bang for your buck .... cashing in $12,000 units for $175 Bonus Plays is also good - not quite as good bang for your buck (but almost), but you get a free golf shirt each time you cash in $12,000.

oldmanTED · Feb 14, 2006

Christian said:
why try to earn the maximum freeplay amount of $1,000? you have to wager $90,000 to earn back $1,000 ($90-$1)...instead, cash it out when you get to $10,000 to earn the $150 FP ($66-$1). you're short-changing yourself by $350!

i always cash out once i reach the $10,000 level, best value.

Real simple. I am more concerned about having more wins then losses. What am I going to do with a $150 Bonus Play? Build it up? Save $350. I'd rather give it away. I don't worry about loyalty programs or bonuses. They are just extras throw in. If I get them great. If not, no concern to me. Winning is all I'm am concerned about. Worrying about scratching out a few dollars in savings would just take time away from my handicapping effort.

Christian · Feb 14, 2006

it only takes 2 seconds to click on the loyalty program button and click the 10,000 points button (which will automatically give you a $150 FP).

i'd rather do this every couple days, instead of doing it just once (clicking the 90,000 points button) every couple weeks and getting shorted by $350.

is a few extra seconds every few days, and a few extra clicks of the mouse really all that much trouble?

and yes, to answer your question, build it up. a $150 freeplay every few days (depending on how much you bet at Cris) really adds up. i'd rather have $1,350 in freeplay money after a few weeks than $1,000 in freeplay money...but that's just me.

CHOPTALK · Feb 14, 2006

Why dont you cash out 7 $150 dollar plays and put all seven plays on the same bet. Its still a $1000 bet using up less loyalty points. I dont care if your Lem Banker or Bill Gates. Not doing this way is simply throwing away money.