Whoson1st said:
You are kidding? Right? They worry about player/coaching/managing interference and the integrity of "the game."
Gambling among participants SHOULD BOTHER US ALL. The integrity of "the game" matters to everyone, including wagerers..... That's why there is no line on Pro Wrestling. You have to be joking, I'm sure. tulsa
Tulsa said:
I'm not joking in the slightest way. How many books in the state of Nevada? If somebet bet at all of them--how much could they bet???
Do the leagues PRETEND (turn their heards) and say...there's no gambling ? Give me a break. Of course we want integrety---and any players caught betting or fixing.....will be history.
Gambling is NOT going away!!! It makes NO sense not to control it by legal means!
This is what I always wondered. How hard would it be for a player to have a friend or brother who asks him to make sure this or that happens? I mean the friend or brother would have no problem betting big in Vegas or even off-shore. Nobody would know who he was. Or the player could just ask his friend to place the bet for him. This could be done in so many ways its a joke. Have a stranger place the bet for you. Pay him to go in and bet. This must happen a lot. How about referees? Dont the refs have friends and familiy? Would anyone know if the ref in the Super Bowl had a friend place 100 grand on the Steelers?
black magic,,,
its easier than that,,,, its the assistant coaches,,,, they are VERY VERY aware of game plans ahead of time,,, they tell a friend to lay a few dimes,,,, it happens every day,,
head coach comes in Pissed at team that loses with poor D and says "the next game we make a minimum of 5 passes before a SHOT,,,,,, I would be running to the window with my mortgage on the under for next game,,
it happens allllll the time,,
tater
its easier than that,,,, its the assistant coaches,,,, they are VERY VERY aware of game plans ahead of time,,, they tell a friend to lay a few dimes,,,, it happens every day,,
head coach comes in Pissed at team that loses with poor D and says "the next game we make a minimum of 5 passes before a SHOT,,,,,, I would be running to the window with my mortgage on the under for next game,,
it happens allllll the time,,
tater
its much more egregious for a ref to do it,,,,, a ticky tack calll here and there,,,, much more Implication,,,,
but a HEAD COACH comes in and says,,, ewere not shooting enough, lets try a RUN and GUN strategy this next game,,, and they train the next 4 days,,,, thats worth 20+ points average than the team is used to scoreing,, and its Just a simple coaching decesion,,,
nothing can be done aobut it,,,
do you remember last year in the NBA when houstons new coach GUNDY came in,,,, the next game total was close to 179.5 the rumor was Gundy thought their D was the prob,,, it Tiked down to 177 that afternoon,,, then by game time I think it went to 173,,,,, lol
I was on the OVER LG,,, and they scored 155 Gm total,,, lol,,,
the game plan was Leaked out,,,a nd all the sharps Ticked ti down,,,,
perfect example,,,,
tater
but a HEAD COACH comes in and says,,, ewere not shooting enough, lets try a RUN and GUN strategy this next game,,, and they train the next 4 days,,,, thats worth 20+ points average than the team is used to scoreing,, and its Just a simple coaching decesion,,,
nothing can be done aobut it,,,
do you remember last year in the NBA when houstons new coach GUNDY came in,,,, the next game total was close to 179.5 the rumor was Gundy thought their D was the prob,,, it Tiked down to 177 that afternoon,,, then by game time I think it went to 173,,,,, lol
I was on the OVER LG,,, and they scored 155 Gm total,,, lol,,,
the game plan was Leaked out,,,a nd all the sharps Ticked ti down,,,,
perfect example,,,,
tater
Still dont get your point about refs. Are you saying refs can only do so much? this is rediculous. Look at SB. A couple of holding calls is all it takes in any football game. We all know that there is holding on every single play. the refs call it sparingly. A ref can decide the game on holding calls alone. this also affects the total. i agree that coaches can do this easier but the players might be like whats up coach? I think coaches have less reasons to fix games then lower paid refs and friends of players .
Here is MY point(s);
Nevada has legalized wagering on Sports. (thats a fact).
They're not about to stop offering it (thats a fact).
If one were to bet a game at all the books in Nevada (Can't imagine the dollar figure that could be bet NOW).
Today's players make Salaries that the AVERAGE guy in the US has ABSOLUTELTY no chance to make( that's a fact) Stupid to risk loosing that! Plus Sports figures are revered like small Gods!
Too even think for one second that Nevada is the ONLY state where gambling is going on now is so absurd --it needs no discussion.
Nevada has legalized wagering on Sports. (thats a fact).
They're not about to stop offering it (thats a fact).
If one were to bet a game at all the books in Nevada (Can't imagine the dollar figure that could be bet NOW).
Today's players make Salaries that the AVERAGE guy in the US has ABSOLUTELTY no chance to make( that's a fact) Stupid to risk loosing that! Plus Sports figures are revered like small Gods!
Too even think for one second that Nevada is the ONLY state where gambling is going on now is so absurd --it needs no discussion.
whose on,,,,
everyone knows the players are mostly out of touch,,, but do you know what the asst. coaches at richmond make? lol
do you klnow what the asst coaches at kent St. Lasalle, Duquesne make??? lol
noone can touch a coaches decision, thats my point, and I knonw for a fact it happens on that level,,
and yes your right the SB is an example of a ref having FULL control of game outcome, its just easier for investigaters to see it,,,,
and remember most of these refs hold Jobs where they are makeing 6-7 figures then being paid 10-50 thous a game to ref,,, (I dont know exactly what the refs are paid for a superbowl game, but I would assume its prob 50 thous per)
Im sure there are several here that can confimrm the insider coaching scenario,,,
tater
everyone knows the players are mostly out of touch,,, but do you know what the asst. coaches at richmond make? lol
do you klnow what the asst coaches at kent St. Lasalle, Duquesne make??? lol
noone can touch a coaches decision, thats my point, and I knonw for a fact it happens on that level,,
and yes your right the SB is an example of a ref having FULL control of game outcome, its just easier for investigaters to see it,,,,
and remember most of these refs hold Jobs where they are makeing 6-7 figures then being paid 10-50 thous a game to ref,,, (I dont know exactly what the refs are paid for a superbowl game, but I would assume its prob 50 thous per)
Im sure there are several here that can confimrm the insider coaching scenario,,,
tater
Tater, my RX Bash Brother, I am SURE you remember The Swindle In the Swamp! The Always Cheating Conference and Referee Jack Childress made sure YOUR F$U Semis won that game to insure a 13 million BCS payout. I pray I will one day cross paths with Jack Childress. I will become a legend in Gatorcountry lore! But, you are still my RX Bash Brother. LT
tatehill2000 said:whose on,,,,
everyone knows the players are mostly out of touch,,, but do you know what the asst. coaches at richmond make? lol
do you klnow what the asst coaches at kent St. Lasalle, Duquesne make??? lol
noone can touch a coaches decision, thats my point, and I knonw for a fact it happens on that level,,
and yes your right the SB is an example of a ref having FULL control of game outcome, its just easier for investigaters to see it,,,,
and remember most of these refs hold Jobs where they are makeing 6-7 figures then being paid 10-50 thous a game to ref,,, (I dont know exactly what the refs are paid for a superbowl game, but I would assume its prob 50 thous per)
Im sure there are several here that can confimrm the insider coaching scenario,,,
tater
In Nfl, alot of those guys hold high paying jobs...dentists, lawyers, etc. However, they dont make anything close to 50 dimes to ref the super bowl. Its probably closer to 10-15k.
Nfl and nba officials starting salaries are about 80-90k FOR THE ENTIRE SEASON. Full-time top scale (OVER 10 YEARS SENIORITY) are pulling down over 250k. Still not enough dough for them to be exempt from grabbing a few easy dimes here and there.
The guy who threw the offensive pass interference flag during super bowl used to be a probation officer in Ohio...not exactly a 6 figure job. He retired from his local job a few years ago.
Guys refereeing ncaa football and basketball are mostly common guys like us here at RX holding jobs between 40-50k per year. They earn between 500-2500 per game depending on the conference they work.
Many of the basketball refs we see on Espn weekly do not hold regular jobs and are in fact making their entire working income from officiating games. I doubt any of the ncaa basketball guys are making over 100k per year from calling games unless they are getting some action down.
For ncaa basketball refs to make six figures, they would have to work 50-60 games a season and there is only so many games to go around so only a select few fall into that group.
The Ncaa football refs almost all make less than 2k per game (many leagues less than 1k) and less than 20k per season. No way in hell all of them are honest. Anyone who believes all the games are honest is fooling themselves and grew up in a different world than I have.
I agree that asst coaches making crumbs probably give info to gamblers about team info and/or themselves bet games based on that info.
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Further research provided this info.
Back in 2001, Tim Polzer for NFL Insider reported that the NFL Referee Association employed about 151 members, broken down into about 119 for field duty during games and the other 32 as replay assistants who can be offered field duty during their tenure. During the year these members go to classes, camps, meetings and physicals just as the players do.
As for their pay, it's a scale depending on the amount of tenure. In Polzer's report he wrote that refs collected between $1,431 to $4,330 per game, with the lower end of the salary range going to first-year refs and the upper range going to those who have over 20 years of service. He also reported that each member of the crew chosen to ref the Super Bowl collected $11,900 for that single game.
NOW GRANTED THEY DID GET HEALTHY PAY RAISES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT $1,400 A GAME FOR NFL AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY ALL THESE GUYS ARE BEING HONEST? THATS SUCH A RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION ITS LAUGHABLE AND NOT WORTHY OF FURTHER DEBATE!
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Back in 2001, Tim Polzer for NFL Insider reported that the NFL Referee Association employed about 151 members, broken down into about 119 for field duty during games and the other 32 as replay assistants who can be offered field duty during their tenure. During the year these members go to classes, camps, meetings and physicals just as the players do.
As for their pay, it's a scale depending on the amount of tenure. In Polzer's report he wrote that refs collected between $1,431 to $4,330 per game, with the lower end of the salary range going to first-year refs and the upper range going to those who have over 20 years of service. He also reported that each member of the crew chosen to ref the Super Bowl collected $11,900 for that single game.
NOW GRANTED THEY DID GET HEALTHY PAY RAISES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, BUT $1,400 A GAME FOR NFL AND PEOPLE ACTUALLY ALL THESE GUYS ARE BEING HONEST? THATS SUCH A RIDICULOUS ASSUMPTION ITS LAUGHABLE AND NOT WORTHY OF FURTHER DEBATE!
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> </o>thank you Daddy,,,, well put all points,,,, Ive met Ed Hockali, as most have heard of him, a super super cat, hes untouchable,,,, and an excellnt NFL ref,, my most favorite, I will specifically watch games he refs,,, total class act,
my initial point with the "fixing games issue" was really the fact that refs are VERY VERY easlily scrutinized, it only takes Once or Twice and a few rumors for you to get demoted and lose your job Straight up!!!
not worth it for the refs,,,, but again, my initial point is with asst coaches,,,,, very very easy for them to give info to a few insisders and get a nice Bonus at the end of a season from a few of these associates,,,,
(Hey LT,,, I know your right, I remember the whole situation with that crooked ref, that type or sheet is horrible, and I would gladly HOLD him as you bust his jaw)lol
tater
my initial point with the "fixing games issue" was really the fact that refs are VERY VERY easlily scrutinized, it only takes Once or Twice and a few rumors for you to get demoted and lose your job Straight up!!!
not worth it for the refs,,,, but again, my initial point is with asst coaches,,,,, very very easy for them to give info to a few insisders and get a nice Bonus at the end of a season from a few of these associates,,,,
(Hey LT,,, I know your right, I remember the whole situation with that crooked ref, that type or sheet is horrible, and I would gladly HOLD him as you bust his jaw)lol
tater
David1 said:
David1....??? No. You are not correct. Why you would state such a vastly incorrect value as fact and with no qualifier in your text is beyond me.
I KNOW that a ref crew makes 25k each for SuperBowl. They make 15K each for playoff games. I do not know how much the head ref's pay varies or if it does at all from the others, but it isn't nearly 50k. tulsa
