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The key provisions of the Goodlatte Bill are to:

1. Expand the Wire Act to apply to all games of chance, such as poker, blackjack, backgammon, bingo and any other casino game, as well to cover lotteries. This is a "legislative reversal" of the Fifth Circuit's ruling of In Re MasterCard case in which the Wire Act was held to be limited to sports gambling, and not cover any other forms of gambling.

2. Exempt from the Wire Act the types of games offered by sponsors where entry into the games are free to the customers and the only prize is to participate in a contest by the sponsor

3. Exempt from the Wire Act "fantasy sports" involving fictional teams, etc.

4. Expand the jurisdictional application of the Wire Act to cover (1) anywhere in the United States, (2) any State or Indian Tribe, or (3) any United States territory.

5. Further expand the jurisdictional application of the Wire Act to cover situations where a bet is placed or received from (1) anywhere in the United States or a territory of the United States, (2) from the maritime jurisdiction of the United States, or (3) to or from any place outside the jurisdiction of any nation (i.e., Sealand or Antarctica or the Moon).

6. Raises the penalty for violations of the Wire Act from two years, to five years.

7. Expands the criminal acts under the law to include any business that uses electronic payment systems of any type (credit cards, wires, checks) in furtherance of a bet made illegal under the new Wire Act, a new twist on the Leach/Kyl bills.

8. Provides a "carve out" or "exemption" for three big special interest groups: (a) Intrastate remote gambling (all occuring within a state that authorizes such gambling), (b) Tribal gambling, and (c) the Horse Racing Industry. All remote gambling under the IHA is exempt from the Wire Act under this proposed legislation.
 

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You must have not read #5, where it criminalizes placing a bet. So JC, theoretically under the Goodlatte bill, placing a bet online could net you up to 5 years? :realtongu
 

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Kiss1 said:
one word

unenforceable
Thats the last thing I'm worried about is placing a bet and worrying about prosecution. I would face a jury any day of the week and on Sunday on that. Let them convict me of that :103631605
 

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RED EYE said:
Thats the last thing I'm worried about is placing a bet and worrying about prosecution. I would face a jury any day of the week and on Sunday on that. Let them convict me of that :103631605

I'm with you...but I don't want them fucking with my money.
 

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Do you know what the House Bill # is? A lot of interns answering the phones might ask.
 

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"to or from any jurisdiction of any nation...."

Rather broad and intruding upon other sovereign nations to decide their own morality laws, but then again the US has a history of overstepping boundaries and enforcing it's own laws on the rest of the nations of the planet....and having said all this....just why do other countries hate us?
 

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It doesn't make placing a bet illegal, it just expands the definition of what is an infraction of the Wire Act to make it clear betting from US territory is a violation. You still have to be in the business of wagering to be violating the law.
 

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Wildbill....I'm confused.....reading your post, can all those conditions exist together...?
 

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Of course they can, it is supposedly a "modernization" of the Wire Act. Just remember these shits love to talk big, but they never DARE say those who vote for them are criminals. You can piss off and insult people who live offshore and probably don't vote, but you don't dare piss off Joe Six Pack who likes to play on Party Poker like 20 million others. If you tell him he is a criminal he will tell you to fuck off on election day.
 

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This is a link to Goodlatte's web site on this topic.

http://www.house.gov/goodlatte/internetgambling109.htm

Here is a link to the last time this came up for a vote on the House floor. Click here to see how your Representative voted:

http://clerk.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.asp?year=2000&rollnumber=404

Remember, everyone has two Senators and one Representative. Contact all three and tell them you vote and you are opposed to H.R. 4777: The Internet Gambling Prohibition Act and any companion bill that has yet to be brought in the Senate.

How to contact your Senator and Representative:

For your Representative in the House,
http://www.house.gov/writerep/

For your Senator,
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Or call this number and give them your zip code,
(202) 224-3121
 

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Bless the good representatives of the great state of Hawaii, who did not cast a single "yes" vote last time out. I guess we have too much common sense for such hypocritical idiocy, even even though we are only one of two states with no forms of gambling (Utah being the other). Now all the rest of you "red staters" got some serious calling to do.....
 

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ppeter said:
Bless the good representatives of the great state of Hawaii, who did not cast a single "yes" vote last time out. I guess we have too much common sense for such hypocritical idiocy, even even though we are only one of two states with no forms of gambling (Utah being the other). Now all the rest of you "red staters" got some serious calling to do.....

Careful what you assume. There were some who abstained last time or voted against it because they felt it had to many carve outs and actually expanded gambling in the end. It was brought to the floor under "suspension," that meant no amendments on the floor, but it needed a 2/3's vote. Goodlatte couldn't chance people trying to pull out the exemptions on the floor.
 

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Jay C said:
Careful what you assume. There were some who abstained last time or voted against it because they felt it had to many carve outs and actually expanded gambling in the end. It was brought to the floor under "suspension," that meant no amendments on the floor, but it needed a 2/3's vote. Goodlatte couldn't chance people trying to pull out the exemptions on the floor.


OK Jay. I will do my duty and call them. Still makes me proud of my boys though.
 

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Bottom line..................The US gov't does not have the money to pass this bill. Suppose one-third of the betting population was brought up on criminal charges. Do you really think state and/or federal gov't has the resources (time, money, and jail facilities) to prosecute that many people. Lets do the math....shall we?

1) US pop. currently ~ 296,000,000
2) Ages 15 and up ~ 80% of total population= 236,800,00
3) ~ 15% gamble = 35,520,000
4) charge ~ 33% for illegal gambling = 11,721,600

#1 and #2 are facts, 3 and 4 are guesstimates, but conservative guesstimates in my opinion. So lets prosecute 11 million people, where you going to put everybody? Do you think gov't officials really want to do all the administrative work required to charge 11 million people? These bills are just a bunch of political rhetoric and even if they do get passed, it will be years before anybody is even affected by it.
 

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