yeah, never ever got into that fta i was always just dish net and actually was pretty good with it,...then when they did that card switch i just never kept up with it,....and low and behold they already cracked the yellow,.........i got a bunch of cards and a few 6000hd receivers here but i just dont have much for a jtag,....use to work on my old computer but hasnt worked right in probally a couple years,...i need to get myself a nice buffered jtag and an afternoon of reading,......i think it is absurd to pay for tv!!:toast: