BetJamaica cancelled the bets on PSG

blank · Mar 5, 2006

I don't think I've ever seen anything similar done by A-rated sportsbook. They cancelled the bets on PSG - Marseille during the game (around half-time), when I had placed them 24h before.

The news regarding this game came out on Friday, and they just didn't follow any line movements or the news.

Thanks for the money though, the bets would have lost. But I'm not going to deal with this unprofessional sportsbook ever again. They should not offer lines for soccer if they have no idea what they're doing.

TANG · Mar 5, 2006

that is a brutal move by a book if true

zee · Mar 5, 2006

This is BS. There is no way to justify voiding bets on a soccer game, I have never heard this happening before. Lines on soccer move .40 all the time.

wilheim · Mar 5, 2006

I sent a link of this thread to BJM management (Scotty) and asked for comment about this issue.

wil..

zee · Mar 5, 2006

They'll say that it's a bad line, I'd like them to quote their price and competitive prices if that's the case. There are no bad lines on soccer unless it's a palpable error.

wilheim · Mar 5, 2006

Zee, did you happen to play the game at betJamaica? Was your bet cancelled?

Thanks, wilheim.

zee · Mar 5, 2006

I don't even have an account at betjamaica.
No it's just that I say what I think, I've never known of a bad line on a soccer game that was not a palpable error. Sometimes bookshops in the UK pay out on different prices on midweek UEFA games in the early rounds where it's difficult to price up, but we're talking a major game here. That's why I asked, be sure to get the reason for the cancellation, and if they say it's a bad line, I'd like them to quote their line, and we'll compare to betfair and others.

blank · Mar 5, 2006

They are refering to house rules #11: "BetJamaica reserves the right to refuse or limit any wager. This may include, but not limited to past posted plays, obvious line errors, or exceeded bet limit amounts."

I must say I'm having mixed feelings about this as they returned a losing bet

But what if it had been a winner? That's just scary that they can void bets like that. And after the game had started. Unbelievable.

The news regarding this game was all over internet on Friday: http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblfrapsgmarseille&prov=afp&type=lgns

zee · Mar 5, 2006

blank, the poitn I'm trying to make is: I'm not convinced it was a line erorr. What price did you get?

Omni · Mar 5, 2006

From my point of view, it's just like those A's futures that were cancelled a while back. There's a difference between a bad line and a book just not paying attention and staying on the ball.

wilheim · Mar 5, 2006

Thank you Zee.

I spoke to Shayla at BJM (Scotty is off today). She informed me that because PSG played their 2nd team in this game the linesmaker cancelled the game at 0-0 sometime during the later part of the first half. The game was 0-0 at the time, emails were sent immediately to all the players that made wagers on the game. There were no bets on the total and all the wagers (less than 10 bets) turned out to be losers.

BJM wants to make it clear that this is not normal procedure and they would never have cancelled the wagers had there been a score. The unusual circumstances surrounding the game is what triggered the cancellation.

I know for certain that Scotty would never try to take advantage of any situation that he felt would be unfair to players. Personally I do not know the cronology of the events surrounding the game but it appears some players knew more than the BJM linesmakers before the game started.

BJM apologises to anyone who may have been inconvienced by the cancellation.

Thanks, wil..

zee · Mar 5, 2006

There's a difference between a bad line and a book just not paying attention and staying on the ball.

Not only that, but there should be a margin definition for a bad line. The price should be off by a LOT, in this case, I'd guess the price has been pretty similar is my guess.

zee · Mar 5, 2006

Will, again, what was the price on the wagers they cancelled? Does ANYBODY have that info?

wilheim · Mar 5, 2006

I don't think the game was cancelled under the bad line rule but because of an unfortunate turn of events surrounding the game; one team benching it's entire first team before the game.

wil.

go2guy · Mar 5, 2006

wilheim said:
Thank you Zee.

I spoke to Shayla at BJM (Scotty is off today). She informed me that because PSG played their 2nd team in this game the linesmaker cancelled the game at 0-0 sometime during the later part of the first half. The game was 0-0 at the time, emails were sent immediately to all the players that made wagers on the game. There were no bets on the total and all the wagers (less than 10 bets) turned out to be losers.

BJM wants to make it clear that this is not normal procedure and they would never have cancelled the wagers had there been a score. The unusual circumstances surrounding the game is what triggered the cancellation.

I know for certain that Scotty would never try to take advantage of any situation that he felt would be unfair to players. Personally I do not know the cronology of the events surrounding the game but it appears some players knew more than the BJM linesmakers before the game started.

BJM apologises to anyone who may have been inconvienced by the cancellation.

Thanks, wil..

Dangerous precedent IMO.

blank · Mar 5, 2006

zee said:
blank, the poitn I'm trying to make is: I'm not convinced it was a line erorr. What price did you get?

It was definately not a line error. I had played it at +114 at Ladbrokes earlier. On BetJM, I took it at +110 on Saturday while it was max +100 to -110 else where I think (these are 3-way odds). Then bet more at -119 when the price had really plunged everywhere. They took it off the board soon. Then cancelled the next day while the game was 0-0 around half time. No other bookmaker would cancel these bets.

zee · Mar 5, 2006

This is not only a dangerous precedent, but complete BS. This is soccer. You don't bet on "listed 11". This is not baseball. You back a team to win or lose, it's an action bet. They were overexposed or something, the pussied out. If I had a bet on that game, I'd be taking them to a dispute board right now. No other bookie out there dares void the market in the same conditions.

wilheim · Mar 5, 2006

Correction -- it was Marseille that played B team.

PARIS, March 5 (Reuters) - Olympique Marseille's B team held arch-rivals Paris St Germain to a 0-0 draw in Ligue 1 on Sunday.

The former European champions, fearful for the security of their fans and players at the Parc des Princes, spared the first team and asked the supporters not to travel to the capital.

None of the players who started the match were first-choice members of Marseille's regular side.

Four of the players normally appear for the amateur team in the equivalent of the fifth division.

The visitors had accused PSG of refusing to sell them the promised number of tickets and of seating Marseille fans directly underneath home supporters.

No incidents were reported before or during the match and the stands reserved for Marseille fans were left empty.

The game was due to kick off at 2000 GMT but was brought forward four hours to help security forces.

The 43,000 crowd was searched on entering the stadium and more than 1,000 policemen were deployed around the ground.

The match was far removed from the usual battles between the sides.
PSG, chasing their first league win in seven outings, dominated proceedings.

Their best chance came when substitute Paulo Cesar had an 18-metre volley cleared by defender Alain Cantareil in the 40th minute.
Marseille remain fifth in the table with 44 points from 29 matches. PSG (42 points) moved up one place to seventh.

Reuters.

zee · Mar 5, 2006

Will, this was known 4 days ago. The reason you don't hear an outrage of other users, is that everybody was on PSG, and the bet LOST. So most players benefit from the refund. I don't care about that tho, voiding the market is wrong. I hope the 2 or 3 players who actually bet OM take them to some sort of organization or at least insist on receiving their winnings.

Jacksorbetter+ · Mar 5, 2006

I wish they'd cancel my Bradley wager. The little known "Bradley sucks" rule would be a good choice for a reason.

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