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From today's NY Times:

Sad Suspicions About Scores in Basketball
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THE downfall of the "Goodfellas" mafiosi started with the Lufthansa job at Kennedy Airport in New York. At the time, it was the largest cash robbery in history. "Lufthansa should have been our ultimate score," Ray Liotta, playing the mobster Henry Hill, said in the movie. Instead, the movie gangsters called attention to themselves with flashy purchases like a hot-pink Cadillac and, as the police closed in, began killing each other.

But Henry Hill survived, in the movie and in real life. Less than a week after the robbery in December 1978, he was sitting in the Boston Garden watching a basketball game that he had helped fix. He had paid off two Boston College players to beat Harvard by less than the 12-point spread. Boston College won, 86-83, and Mr. Hill won his $15,000 bet.

This time next week, a few million Americans will be filling out office pool betting sheets for the coming N.C.A.A. tournament, and I don't imagine that many of us will spend much time thinking about the sport's grubby past.

College basketball is a big business today, and betting on it is not merely a sideline for mobsters. It is a national pastime.

One thing about the sport, however, has not really changed since Henry Hill's day. Of all the major forms of betting — lotteries, poker, craps, slots, football — college basketball is almost certainly the easiest to fix.

It is played by young men who don't usually have a lot of money. With just five players on the court, one person can determine the outcome. And the point-spread system, in which bets are based on the margin of victory rather than wins and losses, allows players to fix a game without losing it.

"There's every reason to think this is as bad as it gets," Justin Wolfers, an economist at the University of Pennsylvania, said.

Mr. Wolfers, a blond pony-tailed Australian, calls himself part of a new generation of forensic economists — researchers who sift through data to look for patterns of cheating that otherwise go unnoticed. The best-selling book "Freakonomics" by Stephen J. Dubner and Steven D. Levitt is based partly on this kind of work.

THE showpiece of forensic economics is research done a few years ago that suggested that mutual fund traders were regularly backdating their trades. Wall Street attacked the findings at first. But they stood up to scrutiny, and Eliot Spitzer, New York's attorney general, used them to force reforms on the industry.

You can probably guess where this is going. Mr. Wolfers has collected the results of nearly every college basketball game over the last 16 years. In a surprisingly large number of them, it turns out that heavy favorites just miss covering the spread. He considered a number of other explanations, but he thinks there is only one that can explain the pattern. Point shaving appears to be occurring in about 5 percent of all games with large spreads.

Officials at the National Collegiate Athletic Association say they do not believe that the problem is nearly so large. Jay Kornegay, who oversees the betting lines at the Las Vegas Hilton, told me that Mr. Wolfers's conclusions sounded "ludicrous." But I'm not so sure about that.

When Mr. Wolfers began his research, he started with a question: If there were really a lot of point shaving going on, what sort of tracks would it leave in the data?

In all likelihood, the cheating would be concentrated among heavily favored teams. Point spreads require gamblers to bet on whether the favored team will win by at least a certain margin. By agreeing to fall short of that, players can fix a game and still not risk losing it.

"It's the favorites with the big spreads," Kenny White, an influential Las Vegas oddsmaker, said, "that have the biggest advantage to be able to do something."

Past scandals also suggest that is how it works. When Stevin Smith was fixing games at Arizona State in the 1990's to erase some big gambling debts, he hit some big shots and helped his team win games. But he backed off just a little on defense to make sure his opponents covered the spread.

"I made myself feel better by always saying that I wasn't making my team lose, just helping myself out of a bad situation," Mr. Smith later wrote in Sports Illustrated.

This is precisely the pattern Mr. Wolfers believes that he has found. Smaller favorites — teams favored by 12 or fewer points — beat the spread almost exactly 50 percent of the time, showing how good those oddsmakers are at their jobs. But heavy favorites cover in only 47 percent of their games. There is little chance that the difference is due to randomness.

This is not persuasive by itself, because there are some obvious explanations besides point shaving. Heavy favorites may remove their best players at the end of the game, for instance, or simply slack off, not caring what their winning margin is.

But here's Mr. Wolfers's smoking gun: this slacking off seems to happen only when a game is decided by something close to the point spread. Heavy favorites actually blow away the spread just as often as everyone else. But they win by barely more than the spread a lot less often than slight favorites do.

There is a strange dearth of games in which 12-point favorites win by, say, 13 or 16 points. And there are a lot of games that they win by 11 points or slightly less. There is just no good explanation for this.

"You shouldn't have what's happening on the court reflecting what's happening in Las Vegas," Mr. Wolfers said. "And that's exactly what's happening."

This isn't proof, to be sure. Forensic economics rarely provides that. But when it fits with other evidence, it can make a pretty compelling case. College basketball has had a point-shaving scandal about once every decade. And in a recent N.C.A.A. poll, 1.5 percent of players admitted knowing of a teammate "who took money for playing poorly."

So, by all means, the N.C.A.A. and the rest of us should enjoy these next few weeks. But when the tournament is over, the people who run college basketball may want to get in touch with Mr. Wolfers.
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Yet another reason to pay college players. They bring in big money for the universities, there's no reason they shouldn't get a piece of the pie.

Not paying college players is like limiting the Olympics to people who aren't professional players.
 

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If I knew there was a player who was paid to 'play poorly' I'd take advantage of it. What am I supposed to do, report it to the authorities?

Agree with Quantum. These guys deserve a stipend. Give them say 300-400 a week. I think that would be fair.
 

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There is a strange dearth of games in which 12-point favorites win by, say, 13 or 16 points. And there are a lot of games that they win by 11 points or slightly less. There is just no good explanation for this.

This person is retarded. I'm not joking, I mean it. He doesn't quote figures, he talks about expectations and says there is no good explanation for random occurences. This is typical journalism, unfortunately.
 

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RobFunk said:
If I knew there was a player who was paid to 'play poorly' I'd take advantage of it. What am I supposed to do, report it to the authorities?

Agree with Quantum. These guys deserve a stipend. Give them say 300-400 a week. I think that would be fair.

400/week aint gonna stop some kid from missing free throws for 15 dimes.
 

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My favorite story about athletes and points is the on where some guy tells michael they are getting a ton of action on the under for MJ points/assists prop. Why? because it was getting late and people figured MJ would be tired from playing BJ. Michael goes out and gets MVP. Ha.
 

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pish. I've got the same numbers he's got. I've looked for it. There is NO way there is a swing to the dog side of 5% on these games.

I can go back and look again, but there is no way that this is skewing the results enough in one direction that it matters to the rest of us.
 

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blue edwards said:
400/week aint gonna stop some kid from missing free throws for 15 dimes.
You are probably right. But they still deserve something considering how much the school makes off them.
 

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I'd just love to see the NCAA try to do something about this. That would be hypocrisy at its fullest. First of all they wouldn't want to talk about pointspreads with the kids. Second it would be in poor sportsmanship. Think about it, the only way to stop this would be tell kids to know what the spread was and then play hard and try to make sure you run up the score against an overmatched team. Now that I would pay to see them say.
 

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I was wondering how Oral Roberts managed to only win 13 last night.

Of course they just barely covered or didn't cover depending on what number you're looking at. Could very well be that they manipulated or misused the data to come up with theri results. It's tricky.
 

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I was wondering how Oral Roberts managed to only win 13 last night.

Of course they just barely covered or didn't cover depending on what number you're looking at. Could very well be that they manipulated or misused the data to come up with theri results. It's tricky.

d2...hilarious. i had oru -13. turned it off when they were up by 23 points with 3 minutes left. woke up this morning to see i had pushed.

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blue edwards said:
d2...hilarious. i had oru -13. turned it off when they were up by 23 points with 3 minutes left. woke up this morning to see i had pushed.

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They were down 18 with like a minute left too. But if they were shaving they did a strange job of it by hitting a 3 to go up 18 with a minute left. ORU was up 15 with the ball and 41 seconds, turned it over and gave up a gimme layup.
 

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They were down 18 with like a minute left too. But if they were shaving they did a strange job of it by hitting a 3 to go up 18 with a minute left. ORU was up 15 with the ball and 41 seconds, turned it over and gave up a gimme layup.

thanks d. i'm gonna take that, gerry mcnamera's 3 pointer and notre dame's missed free throw to the bathroom and

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Yet another reason to pay college players. They bring in big money for the universities, there's no reason they shouldn't get a piece of the pie.

Not paying college players is like limiting the Olympics to people who aren't professional players.

many D1 athletic programs struggling to push a profit...football and basketball support all the other athletic budgets for teams at the school. Only big big time programs turning profits.
 

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Point shaving in 5% of ncaa hoops?

Read this in the nytimes today. A forensic economist, going in the same direction as the best selling book, freakonomics, stated, "point shaving appears to be occuring in about 5 percent of all games with large point spreads ". That being 12 or more points.

THe authors research found teams favored by less that 12 won almost 50% of the time, but heavy favorites cover only 47% of the time. He claims there there is little chance to the difference is pure randomness.

In a recent ncaa poll, 1.5% of players admitted knowing a teammate, "who took money for playing poorly".
 

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Stale,

What was the sample size? Sounds like someone trying to sell a book vs someone that has actually researched point shaving real well.
 

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47%?! Thats nothing. That's just oddsmaking is'nt it? I could see if it were 40% or something.

America loves to bet the fav, so of course more dogs are going to cover.
 

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