Reverse Mid-major Bias!

u know how people have complained of reverse racism...well i believe this year we have a case of reverse mid-majorism....judge, court, ladies and gentelmen of the jury i present my case....

Year after year i find myself in march lobbying for mid major for the ncaa tourney...anyone from creighton, to ohio, even bigger conference teams such as wyoming....well this year i think the media, especially espn has taken a complete 180 degree turn...my main beef is with the MISSOURI VALLEY CONFERENCE..although there has been talk of the COLONIAL also...the fact that there has been talk of the MVC getting between 4-6 bids is ludicris....ridiculous absolutely ridiculous..ok let's start 1)S. ILLINOIS..played pretty well 2nd half and gets auto bid=cool....2)BRADLEY...one of the hottest teams anywhere 2nd half after getting healthy..deserve a bid after losing in conf. final game...=valid bid...3)WHICHITA ST....finished 1st in conference but didn't win a single conference tourney game...had a decent non-conference...most of the hype is because of the conference RPI and percieved strength..=debatable won't argue to much either way..my mind NOT IN....4)N-IOWA....sure i'll piss of alot of people over this 1....2 great wins against iowa and lsu....IN DECEMBER!!...they're has been buzz about them being a cinnderella ever since...they lost like 6 of last 8 got blown out in last home game by 29...and didn't win a single conf. tourney game...u explain to me how there in...i've never heard an arguement for them except well they got 2 good non-conf wins iowa and lsu...and last 10 games is supposed be big for the selection comitee= NOT IN....5)CREIGTON...faded down the stretch...was not a typical strong creigton team all season...kinda getting respect for past creigton teams..KYLE KORVER is not walking thru that door over there...had some bad injury loses for the season, etc...lost 1st round of conf. tourney...no big non-conf wins...=NOT IN....6)missouri st.(s.w.miss. st.)...a joke that they're saying in...NO non-conf good wins...blown out in only conf. game....they're only getting recognition because of the buzz on the MVC....=hell no......this conference is all the talk because most teams in the conference have had some good wins early in the year and have beaten a few mid-major leaders...ala wisc-milm...to obscure the RPI a little...and when u play 5 other teams with really low RPI then yours is gonna get real low also...bottom like is you can't give a mid-major like the MVC 4,5 or 6 bids when ACC is only getting 4...if theses guys played an average to bad acc team such as maryland, georgia tech, miami, wake forrest...9 times of of 10 they would lose...not disrespecting their conference just not giving it over respect...i don't have a problem with giving this conf. 6 if they had 6 tourney deserving teams..but they don't...2 maybe 3...if you a mid major and u don't win a conf. tourney game u shouldn't even get any reconition for ncaa unless you've just killed in undeated conference...unbelievable non-conf...i mean they've been saying for days if SAN DIEGO ST. doesn't win there tournet they might not be in...bullshit...MVC is def. tougher than MVC...wow and SD.ST is better than any team in MVC.....thank you for your time, would love to hear your views on...hopefully espn hasn't brain washed everyone to bad.....and if you've never seen these teams play or followed them ...or know of there situation...i don't wanna hear well n. iowa had a good non-conf...or creighton is a good team...once again than you....i rest my case....:toast:

Agree with you on this one bro! I think for sure they should get 2 in (SIll & Bradley), with 3 being the ABSOLUTE most I would be able to justify letting in from this conference. As for who the #3 team should be, ?? I have no clue! You can pretty much take your pick from the bunch that remains though because they're basically all the same, a slightly above average team more than capable of pulling an upset in Round 1 but that's it. I'd much rather see a Michigan, George Mason, Hofstra, Western Kentucky play and matchup against a #5 or #6 seed than any one of the teams left. But sadly I have the crap feeling that we're in the minority on this one and from last I saw they were projecting as many as FIVE getting in! :lolBIG: What a joke!

oh yeah sorry for the length everyone.....

ticket, I understand where you are coming from but I dont fully agree with you. Mid majors withh high RPIs deserve to get a good look, regardless of the conference they are in. Here are the teams I believe do not deserve to be in the field of 65. Michigan State, Michigan, Maryland and Cincinnati. All these teams do not have an over .500 record in their own conference. How are they more deserving that the mid majors? This is supposed to be for the best teams in the country, how can these teams be considered top teams if they cannot win more than they lose in their own conference? I would much rather see strong teams in lesser known conferences teams that get in based only on their school name and conference.

respect your opinion.....but that's the big debate...good conf. recored vs. average teams or average/below ave. conf record vs. GREAT teams....u know where i stand...

I see your point but I would rather see decent midmajors getting in the dance than the bubble teams from major conferences that have no chance of doing anything (Michigan, Indiana, Maryland, Florida St. Seton Hall, etc.). Those teams pretty much had an O.K year at best and always get the first look. So leave them out and let some midmajors that don't get to the dance very often have a shot.

Really the gap between midmajors and majors is closing. Screw the middle of the pack teams from major conferences.

I think Missouri st, wich st, siu, and n. iowa should all be in. Bradley, Creighton out.

George Mason has to be in or the committee is worthless

Kornholio said:

I see your point but I would rather see decent midmajors getting in the dance than the bubble teams from major conferences that have no chance of doing anything (Michigan, Indiana, Maryland, Florida St. Seton Hall, etc.). Those teams pretty much had an O.K year at best and always get the first look. So leave them out and let some midmajors that don't get to the dance very often have a shot.

Really the gap between midmajors and majors is closing. Screw the middle of the pack teams from major conferences.

I think Missouri st, wich st, siu, and n. iowa should all be in. Bradley, Creighton out.

George Mason has to be in or the committee is worthless

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George Mason is a lock, since their President is on Selection Committee. If you don't think that matters, think Iowa from last year.

I'm torn on some of these mid-majors. I just don't see how their RPI is so high if no one wants to play them.

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ticket, I understand where you are coming from but I dont fully agree with you. Mid majors withh high RPIs deserve to get a good look, regardless of the conference they are in. Here are the teams I believe do not deserve to be in the field of 65. Michigan State, Michigan, Maryland and Cincinnati. All these teams do not have an over .500 record in their own conference. How are they more deserving that the mid majors? This is supposed to be for the best teams in the country, how can these teams be considered top teams if they cannot win more than they lose in their own conference? I would much rather see strong teams in lesser known conferences teams that get in based only on their school name and conference.

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I like the smaller schools getting in myself.

But those teams you listed there would beat up on these MVC schools 8/9 times out of ten-thus they are the better teams. The idea is to have the best teams available.

Notre Dame is better than all of the MVC schools-but they won't be making an appearance.

I get tired of people saying if some of these Mid majors don't belong in tournament because if they played in a major conference their record wouldn't be as good. Fair enough, but If these schools that are sitting on the Bubble, Cincy, Fla St,Maryland, Kentucky, and Michigan think they could go in and win the Missouri Valley and have gaudy records they need to think again. Wouldn't happen. I hope 5 teams get in from that conference, thats what makes this tournament great and those bubble teams don't have a chance to win it anyway.

i'm really regretting starting this thread.....i can't stand to listen to some of this ignorance....if any of those listed teams played in the MVC it would be like GW is in A-10 or what conference usa did in CONF-USA..:nohead:
maybe if u took the best MVC teams from the past few years...like the s illinois and creighton teams...but none of those teams are of this quality this year..only reason they're being considered is rpi that's it...:nohead:

theticket_22 said:

i'm really regretting starting this thread.....i can't stand to listen to some of this ignorance....if any of those listed teams played in the MVC it would be like GW is in A-10 or what conference usa did in CONF-USA..:nohead:
maybe if u took the best MVC teams from the past few years...like the s illinois and creighton teams...but none of those teams are of this quality this year..only reason they're being considered is rpi that's it...:nohead:

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I'm not sure if you have the qualifications to determine what is ignorant and what isn't . Freaking GW and the Atlantic 10 isn't even close to the MV conference. GW would have 4 or 5 losses in that conference. Kinda regretting you started this thread too at least we have that in common

I dont believe alot of the lower quality teams in the major conferences would dominate the MVC.

If so, please name them.

i acually think on an average year the A-10 is definetly better the MVC...I WOULD PUT THE mac on the same level...that's not an insult....

Noone can say that the mid level schools in the so-called major conferences would beat up on some of these mid-majors. Lets not forget, there are not as many scholarships available to schools anymore. That means that there are better players available for some of these mid majors. Plus, the mid majors have the luxury of having their players stay in school for 4 years where the higher quality players in the big conferences go to the pros early. This gives the mid major teams a huge advantage, while there may be better talent at the high power schools, the mid majors are usually better teams because they have played together for longer.

theticket_22 said:

i'm really regretting starting this thread.....i can't stand to listen to some of this ignorance....if any of those listed teams played in the MVC it would be like GW is in A-10 or what conference usa did in CONF-USA..:nohead:
maybe if u took the best MVC teams from the past few years...like the s illinois and creighton teams...but none of those teams are of this quality this year..only reason they're being considered is rpi that's it...:nohead:

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when the MVC got the chance to play teams from major conferences how'd they do? That will help us determine whether an Indiana, Seton Hall, or Florida St. could've rolled through in this league.

Wichita St. ---lost to Illinois on a neutral court at the buzzer. Blown out at Michigan St.

Missouri St. ---lost at Arkansas by 4

Indiana St (tied for last in the conference) ---beat INdiana by 5

Illinois ST. (tied for last in the conference)---lost at cincy by 7

Drake --(7th in conference) lost at Iowa by 5, blown out at Iowa St.

NIU -- beat Iowa, lost at Iowa State, won at LSU

Creighton-- beat Nebraska by 30, lost at depaul

The rest didn't play anybody. No one outside the top 5 in the nation would roll through this conference.

Creighton is nothing away from Omaha-nothing.

Creighton won by 20 at George Mason. also beat Xavier. They are out though
Northern Iowa with win against tourney team BUCKNELL as well,
Bradley win at DEPAUL
Evansville with big 10 win vs PURDUE

theticket_22 said:

i acually think on an average year the A-10 is definetly better the MVC...I WOULD PUT THE mac on the same level...that's not an insult....

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I would kinda agree on a average year but this year A-10 is really down and I don't think the MAC is as good as past years but I do like kent St.

RED EYE said:

I would kinda agree on a average year but this year A-10 is really down and I don't think the MAC is as good as past years but I do like kent St.

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MVC with win against Kent St as well with S Illinois beating them!!

wow....it's all about who is on your schedule and if you win those games...clearly have proved MVC is the top mid major conference here!! Kent St with no wins of value on their schedule although I do believe they are a solid mid major. would be 4th probably in the Valley though.

The MVC is horrible basketball to watch. Those teams cannot score. Florida State, Maryland, Cincinnati and Michigan would all win the MVC if they were in it. Each of those teams score. The MVC embarrased themselves with that joke of a tournament last week. I say So Illinois and Wichita State should be in and thats it. Would Missouri State, Creighton, Bradley or Northern Iowa be favored over FSU, Maryland or Cincinnati on a neutral court. No way. The best 34 teams should be in regardless of what conference they are in. The MVC is a joke.