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But he is White and from Texas, so he gets a free pass? What is up with that? I would like to see George Bush go after him like he has Bonds.
 

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Bottom line is The " America Past its time" is a total fraud
 

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evidence please.

also, mark mcgwire, jason giambi and ken caminiti are white...they are just as guilty as bonds
 

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eveidence? Look at the water in his fat cheeks. Do some before and after pictures. 1986 to 2005.
 

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eveidence? Look at the water in his fat cheeks. Do some before and after pictures. 1986 to 2005.

a guy getting fat is not evidence. if it were, my dad would be a steriods poster boy. clemens is pudgy...there aint an ounce of fat on bonds and his face is huge.

now, if clemens hat size doubled the way bonds did...that'd be different.
 

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70% of all pitcher have taken perfromance enhancing drugs. its is 90% for the hitters, that includes pretty boys like Alex Rodriguez. American baseball fans the most NAIVE of any sportfans, most of them are geeks that play fantasy ball and eat hotdogs.
 

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Railbird said:
70% of all pitcher have taken perfromance enhancing drugs. its is 90% for the hitters, that includes pretty boys like Alex Rodriguez. American baseball fans the most NAIVE of any sportfans, most of them are geeks that play fantasy ball and eat hotdogs.

i only eat hotdogs and ballgames and on the golf course. i did play fantasy baseball for the past 6 years though.

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I don't dispute that they all use juice but I would imagine Sosa, McGuire and Bonds have used the more than most.
 

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its possible clemens is juiced up. i would just like to see the evidence. the evidence against bonds is all over the place. mcgwire basically admitted it in front of congress. palmiero failed a steriod test. giambi admitted it to a grand jury.
 

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not just baseball, 80% of atp tennis cheating, 95% of football cheating, just the way it is and general public doesnt realize it.
 

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eveidence all over the place on Bonds because he is a target, not a yes man like Ripken, OJ Simpson, Jordan, etc.
 

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I always wondered why Clemons wasn't included in the 'roids controversy. As stated earlier, he is also much bigger than when he was with Boston. But I don't agree with an earlier statement that he's just put on fat. He's not as sculped as Bonds, but he's put on alot of muscle in the past 10-to-15 years.
 

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I will buy that, Clemens probably not entirely clean...I don't think the NBA is clean either, Jordan as well.
 

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One guy who has escaped the media is Bagwell. I always thought he might have used them. Has really broken down the last few years.
 

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I also figured Clemens was on something just like a lot of other ball players and other athletes from other sports but to say its a black thing is just stupid Barry Bonds is the poster boy for steriods. if steroids were legal and I had a steroid company you know whos face I would want on the bottle Barry Bonds he's beifited the most of any ball player from steroids he went from a skinny litte bitch and not a big power guy to a friggen monster hitting crazy homeruns and the best power hitter in the past 5 or 6 years all in the later stages of his carreer and its 100% obvious to anyone with even a little bit of common sense that Bonds took steroids even without all the evidence just by looking at him and the amount of homeruns he's hitting all of a sudden but its not 100% clear with a lot of other people like Clemens his performence has'nt changed dramticly and he aint like 270 lbs of muscle.
 

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I would say Bagwell used and so does Clemens. That thing with Piazza was a classic roid rage deal. The Bonds book by the two San Francisco Chronicle writers supposedly has many NFL players names in it as well.
I'm sure the U.S. sporting public--naive as Railbird says--would or hopefully will be shocked when all this shit hits the fan. Armstrong, you can throw him in there too.
I guess when everyone is doing it it makes for a somewhat fair playing field, but you hate to see Mays and Aaron's records go down the shitter cuz of chemists.
 

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I recall about six months ago that a poster here whose brother or cousin or something worked at ESPN had info that Clemens and Damon were about to be exposed as positive steroid users. This was shortly after Palmeiro tested positive. But nothing was ever announced...

Any other proof of Clemens & roids, other than that thread? So what if he's put on a few pounds, show me any person, man or woman, athlete or not, who hasn't put on a few since their 20's.

Other than Micheal Jackson, I mean.
 

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Railbird said:
But he is White and from Texas, so he gets a free pass? What is up with that? I would like to see George Bush go after him like he has Bonds.
Hilary Duff is white and from Texas, too. I'd like to see her banned from singing and acting.
 

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