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Instead of 16 billion$$ being bet(or whatever the figure is) by USA how much decrease do you think will be bet on line for the following year.
 

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I don't think it will pass. Its an election year, and you've got less then 8 months until election day. It isn't even scheduled for a floor vote yet, let alone getting through the Senate, and all the congressional holidays. I think more then likely this bill dies with the new congress.
 

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Not certain a DECREASE would even be a given.........unless of course there were severe restrictions put into place for sending/receiving funds, which I understand could and very well may happen.
 

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There was an offshore before an internet and there will be one afterwards. The more things change, the more they same the same.
 

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The figure quote is $10-12 billion worldwide, maybe $6 bil in the US, but its a number Jay Cohen and I have debated as possibly being somewhat higher than actual. No matter, next year there will be more money bet offshore than ever before. That is my friends a stone cold LOCK! The only thing that could make offshore betting revenues go down is some major major scandal, say Party Poker is proven to be seriously rigged with very clear proof. Short of something like that people will bet more next year and the year after than they did this year. And Goodlatte/Kyl/Leach and the others can't do shit about it.
 

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WildBill said:
The figure quote is $10-12 billion worldwide, maybe $6 bil in the US, but its a number Jay Cohen and I have debated as possibly being somewhat higher than actual. No matter, next year there will be more money bet offshore than ever before. That is my friends a stone cold LOCK! The only thing that could make offshore betting revenues go down is some major major scandal, say Party Poker is proven to be seriously rigged with very clear proof. Short of something like that people will bet more next year and the year after than they did this year. And Goodlatte/Kyl/Leach and the others can't do shit about it.

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However I think you're wrong on the number, I believe the worldwide digit to be higher if you include exchange turnover.
 

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Well go count it for us then, cause no one in the industry has faith in the number. That is just the number thrown out there. If it is accurate or not no one has any idea.
 

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I too don't have confidence in the number, but I think that it's WAY HIGHER. By my estimates, Betfair's turnover is probably more than that amount on it's own(will check exactly tomorrow...). Even if much of it is the same money, it should still make a lot more than the projected 12 billion net stake.
 

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Betfair probably has net revenue of about $200 million for 2005. In 2004 they generated about 66 million pounds of revenue according to their audited financial statements.
 

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Wildbill, let me just confirm something, nobody has said anything about revenue. The phrase was 12 billion being bet, which is turnover. If somebody claims 12 billion net revenue from online gambling, he or she needs a reality check.
 

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They are talking about net revenue in the surveys. Turnover is a ridiculous number to track, it means absolutely nothing in gambling. If they counted turnover Party Poker surely would generate $12 billion alone, but since they only earn the rake that is the number they use.
 

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I was obviously wrong then. AFAIK, the biggest bookies in the world(Laddies, Willhill, Coral etc) have a hard time breaking the 200 million pounds bareer on an year's net revenue and that is including Casino games and FOBT's. Betfair is @ 210 USD from what I last heard, so your assumtion was more than correct, in which case a 12 billion digit sounds not only wrong but flatout ridiculous. If the big 5 can hardly make for 1 billion(and let's assume Party Poker ads for another billion...), there is no way in hell the rest of the industry sums up to 10 more. I'd agree with you, the number is ridiculous in that case.

Edit: Going to bed, will check some numbers and come back tomorrow...
 

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It will never pass, any pole they have ever done has come out at least 80-20 against it, the congress will never pass a bill that is impossible to enforce. No one will ever spend a day behind bars for placing a bet, stop worrying. There are far greater issues in hand right now than some anti-gambling bill, and lets not forget, it already is illegal to bet online .
 

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Poopah...

Illegal to accept a bet in our country...not place one...

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The problem won't be placing bets....it will be in funding and collecting from your account. The Leach bill will make it illegal for a bank to receive eft's, cash checks, etc from offshore sites, including the Netellers and Firepays of the world. So, the bank lobby is our best chance....
 

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