Will Vegas ever offer this ? Or do they already ?

WorldNumberOne · Mar 17, 2006

You live in Nevada .

You deposit X number of dollars at your 5 favorite Las Vegas Sportsbooks

You access their lines via a website

You make your plays from your home

You walk in whenever you want and withdrawl your winnings or whatever you have in your account.

Does this exist ?

Will it ever exist ?

If it doesnt , why wouldnt it ?

Thanks

DrunkenHorseplayer · Mar 17, 2006

Station casinos might have something like this. I know that telephone wagering does exist; wagers must be placed from a telephone located inside the state of Nevada.

WorldNumberOne · Mar 17, 2006

could you get a nevada cell phone number and call from anywhere ?

Fishhead · Mar 17, 2006

World Number One said:
could you get a nevada cell phone number and call from anywhere ?

ABSOULETLY NOT......110% against the law!!

Some guys I knew actually used to rig their answering machines that lived in Neveda in a way that they could then call from out of state, have their machines call the sportstbooks someway and actually be able to place a wager from out of state with this method.

Again, this is HIGHLY, HIGHLY illegal.

WorldNumberOne · Mar 17, 2006

Fishhead said:
ABSOULETLY NOT......110% against the law!!

Some guys I knew actually used to rig their answering machines that lived in Neveda in a way that they could then call from out of state, have their machines call the sportstbooks someway and actually be able to place a wager from out of state with this method.

Again, this is HIGHLY, HIGHLY illegal.

what about my original question , any thoughts ?

Fishhead · Mar 17, 2006

World Number One said:
what about my original question , any thoughts ?

Well, I have been out of the VEGAS LOOP for precisely four years now and cannot comment with 100% sureness.

However, as mentioned, the STATIONS allowed one to bet via computor and many others by phone.

Making a withdrawl required one to simply go down to the sportsbook, show ID, and make a withdraw.

I used to have accounts at STATIONS, COAST PROPERTIES, and the SANDS when I lived in Vegas.

The COAST properties actually rated your play and one received comps for their play............used to rack up some nice comps there.

-FISHHEAD-

WorldNumberOne · Mar 17, 2006

well it appears to me that vegas sportsbooks are missing the boat.

they would do a lot more business if anybody in the state could play thru an account via their computer.

would also be nice to see them offer the variety of wagers offered by the offshore books

Fishhead · Mar 17, 2006

World Number One said:
well it appears to me that vegas sportsbooks are missing the boat.

they would do a lot more business if anybody in the state could play thru an account via their computer.

would also be nice to see them offer the variety of wagers offered by the offshore books

Believe the reason they do not is because of the NEVADA GAMING CONTROL BOARD and the many problems they see arising from this and the limitations they impose.

They are a tough bunch.

theticket_22 · Mar 17, 2006

station sportsbooks do have that phone/internet wagering....as do alot of other vegas books ...but it sucks with a capital S.....very little options...pain in the ass software....doNOT reccomend

Sugarbear · Mar 17, 2006

World Number One said:
what about my original question , any thoughts ?

Just ask Artie and Jack.

Sugarbear · Mar 17, 2006

Forget that last post World. That was meant for fish as an insiders joke.

MonsterZero · Mar 17, 2006

[/I]]could you get a nevada cell phone number and call from anywhere ?
ABSOLUTELY NOT......110% against the law!![/I]

Sorry if this question is naive, Fishead, but how could they tell if you're out of state? They have a GPS locator or a phone operations system that can tell?

Thanks.

Salain · Mar 17, 2006

Monster Zero said:
[/i]]could you get a nevada cell phone number and call from anywhere ?
ABSOLUTELY NOT......110% against the law!![/i]

Sorry if this question is naive, Fishead, but how could they tell if you're out of state? They have a GPS locator or a phone operations system that can tell?

Thanks.

Think caller ID. Or if you faked that, don't forget that if you were ever under investigation they could lock you up for a long time for doing this b/w states. It has happened.

WildBill · Mar 17, 2006

WNO,

They have the pager system to insure you are calling locally. You can call them on any number, but the pager system keeps you from calling elsewhere as it only works within about 20 miles of the center of Las Vegas.

They are going to a new system in the near future with GPS enabled cell phones. They will issue you a phone and you will have to use it to make the calls. They probably will still keep the $2200 daily limit though, just in case someone still must game the system. These NGC people are fools, the world changes around them and they act like they still are the only game in town.

WorldNumberOne · Mar 17, 2006

thanks billy...

its shocking to me how badly they are missing the boat .

i guess having a sportsbook is more of a hassle than its worth . atleast thats the way i'm reading it.

BAGIANT · Mar 17, 2006

Don't laugh, because according to Gaming Today a few months back, they were experimenting with a GPS system to tell exactly where the call was coming from. As a matter of fact, I think there was a thread over at Fezzik's Place regarding just that fact. Some were worried that they would be able to tell where their house was, and if another person was also calling in, who they were with.

But from what I've read, if it isn't in place yet, internet bets will be coming in soon.

Why don't they just legalize these Vegas books taking bets from all over already? Maybe they really don't want to as they chased everyone out of the books already to offshore. It just could be they have offshore interests already. I'm sure the majority of us would rather deal with a Vegas book that we know are for real and can visit if we want. One thing is for sure is if Vegas would ever enter the online betting arena, there sure would be some nice bonuses being offered by the offshores!

Sugarbear · Mar 18, 2006

Ok they did away with the pager rule. Due to the raid in late April of 2000 what you are looking for in phone accounts does not exist as no one wants to take a chance. I worked the Dust phones for years and was there for the raid, it aint worth it. In addition the adminstrative cost to adminster it is not worth it. It eats up labor hours that can be better served somewhere else.

Maybe they really don't want to as they chased everyone out of the books already to offshore.

This is a very false statement Stuck. Unless you are a part of the true old guard who refused to CONFORM and thus moved offshore 6 years after they exiled themselves off the strip, you were not chased, you were never here.

In addition that why dont we just open up the internet thing aint all that simple to do. They have been talking about it since 97 and have not gotten past square one yet. It was alot easier then to do. With the people to make it happen willing to put in the time to do so. That is not the case now I assure you. Now more things stand in the way than a little starting with the
Goverments position of we can not control it, we do not understand it, therefore we will ban it. Its the big hurdle all have to face as outside of Vegas
the culture works the same as it always has which means the air of iliegality
and the taint of crimilnalization follws it everywhere. Opening up the net here solves none of the problems the goverment has tried to eliminate for years on end.

WNO we are not missing the boat. Contrary to popular belief 20-200 dollar bettors are not worth it. The offshores always tell you what they make, not what they spend to make it and its a great deal more than money believe me when I tell you.

MonsterZero · Mar 18, 2006

Think caller ID

But if you have a 702 area code, that doesn't matter....

If there's another system to defeat it, fine, but caller ID isn't one of them, obviously.

Scooter1 · Mar 18, 2006

Sugarbear - You refer twice to "the raid" but give no details.

Can you explain what you are referring to?

Sugarbear · Mar 18, 2006

In very short the wise guys who were calling in to Nevada to make there phone bets were calling from Phoneix and other points in the country useing
a technolgy that was in advance of just fowarding the phones to Nevada.

Bigger than that is the fact the main guy Artie had been under investigation for some time and were able to trace there wide network across the country
and nab many people.

Few people know this but the Dust has a daily lottery everyday that the runners of the different groups particiapte in. Now they had boxes and the like there as this is where they first came in the morning. What better place to catch this group. In addition these guys were wired to the hilt which is not legal here. Very little known fact number 2 is that same day the feds also raided Jeff Ambrosias aka Jeff Allens office which is related to the whole gold key sportsbook fiasco that caused many offshore a lot of problems. Double so when Jeff starting squealing on people, instead of just turning over the money they hid. I suspect the camelot/aces gold fiasco is back related to that somehow but can not prove it.

In conclusion why I say its not worth it is of becuase of stuff like that. Until just very recently the burden to prove you were calling fron instate was put on the books. Its impossible to police and even with the best technolgy as someone will always beat it. Also ARTIE to this very day claims he never did a thing. Now I took phone bets from him for many years and recieved tips from his runners not to answer the phone so fast because I kept beating him out of numbers. He is also considered one of the top 10 middler/scalpers of all time and is looked upon by many as the Sam "Spinner" Brown of his day. Lofty praise for someone who did nothing.

Those of you who complain that Nevada is in the dark ages and behind in betting technolgy can draw a very direct line to what this group did here
to us being backwards. All are afraid if they open things up this type of stuff will happen again. It took a couple of years to unwind and is the first thing they point to as a argument why things need a tight lead.