What is it about the #5/#12 Matchups?

Why are these so dangerous every year......We seem to see more upets here than in the 6/11, and 7/10 matchups....

And by rule, a #12 seed, is "usually" gonna be one of the last at large teams picked, or a tourney winner from a small conference, and the #5 basically is gonna be a "ranked" team, that has had success for the most part , over the whole year.....i know there are exceptions, but in general that would prove true....yet every year we see at least 1 or 2 #12 seeds win their games, and often win them handily.....

Anyone have an explanation?

Just seems weird to me the way it works......Its almost like being a #5 seed is a BAD THING....

Who are the DOG #12 seeds today?

I have my own theory involving Andy Kaufman (who's not dead by the way), Roman Polansky and crop circles but I want to give it at least one more year to see if it holds up.

kent st vs pitt

Kent St and Pitt have recent upset history as well, back in 2002 Kent knocked off a pretty good Pitt team, Kent St was the Cinderella team of that tourney...they can play.

Krauser has been strugling.

TEXAS AM and MONTANA #12 seeded winners yesterday.

UTAH ST a big loser vs WASHINGTON(a team underrated by the way).

2-1 going to the KENT STATE today.

Fishhead said:

TEXAS AM and MONTANA #12 seeded winners yesterday.

UTAH ST a big loser vs WASHINGTON(a team underrated by the way).

2-1 going to the KENT STATE today.

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Yeah, the theory doesnt ring as true for the Syracuse game, cuz i dont think they should have been anywhere near a #5 seed, they were just living off of "one weekend's" glory, and it was fresh in the committees mind...

But this happens every year......

I would say over the course of the last 10 years, that the win % of #12 seeds over #5's is very comparable to the #9's that have beaten #8's.....and it shouldnt be "according to form".....

But it looks as if the committee mistakes this year, are beginning to show already, although Air Force played a little better than i expected, they are gone....although the last at large teams arent "expected" to win a game anyway....but the overseeded Tennessee, struggled mightily, Syracuse went down...Seton Hall who shouldn't have been there, got blown out, GW, who was underseeded managed to beat a very good UNCWilm team, although it was close, and Xavier, who many thought was underseeded, took Gonzaga to the wire as well...

Tennessee will likely lose to Wichita State, they have NO half court offense.

I think there has been atleast one number 12 winner every year accept one time, since the tournament expanded to 64/65 team field..

Yesterday:
#11 Wis-Mil sends #6 Oklahoma home
#10 Alabama Sends #7 Marquett Home
#12 Montana Sends #5 Nevada Home
#12 Texas A&M Sends #5 Syracuse Packing

Todays Schedule:

<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD class=columnrow align=left width="50%">2:35 pm</TD><TD class=columnrow align=middle width="10%"> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Northern Iowa #10</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Georgetown #7
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD class=columnrow align=left width="50%">2:45 pm</TD><TD class=columnrow align=middle width="10%"> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Southern Illinois #11</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>West Virginia #6
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD class=columnrow align=left width="50%">7:10 pm</TD><TD class=columnrow align=middle width="10%"> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Kent State #12</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Pittsburgh #5
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD class=columnrow align=left width="50%">7:10 pm</TD><TD class=columnrow align=middle width="10%"> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>George Mason #11</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>Michigan State #6
<TABLE cellSpacing=1 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD class=columnrow align=left width="50%">7:20 pm</TD><TD class=columnrow align=middle width="10%"> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>North Carolina State #10</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR><TR class=bg2 vAlign=center align=right height=17><TD align=left>California #7</TD><TD align=middle> </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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SEC Went Undefeated yesterday....

Journeyman said:

Tennessee will likely lose to Wichita State, they have NO half court offense.

I think there has been atleast one number 12 winner every year accept one time, since the tournament expanded to 64/65 team field..

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A couple years back no #12 seeds won, but other than that it has happened each year.

The #12 is usually a strong champion of a mid-major or minor conference. The #7-#11 seeds are lots of at-large squads. This year is very rare, with at-large #13 seed, something you won't see too often. With mid-majors getting more competitive things are changing.

Used to be great about 5 years ago when you could blindly bet the #12 seeds over the 4 games and make money. Now the angle has been played out.

With the exception of Pitt, this year was an exceptionally poor group of #5's. A team that was out of it before conference tournaments and the winner of a mid major conference that caught Kansas while they were still figuring out the game which obviously pumped up their RPI. I will admit that I certainly didn't think that Montana stood a chance.