Action Reverse/Reverse Action

Arodd · Mar 21, 2006

Just wondering if someone could explain tihs to me.
Someone from a book was trying to explain but i wasn't getting a good feel for the advantages/disadvantages of doing this type of play...
Ex) If i'm on Washington tonight and want NY as well, if the washington play hits or pushes, then it goes to the NY play and that play is graded straight as well...but if wash loses then i don't even get the knicks play, meaning all i lose is that initial wager?

my feeling would be if i wanted the knicks anyway, why wouldnt i play 2 straight plays here? Does action reverse just ensure that u don't lose 2 plays on the night? not quite understanding...

thanks

wilheim · Mar 21, 2006

Action reverse or if bet - A group of 2 wagers:

The second is conditional on the outcome of the first.

The 2nd half of the reverse is live if and only if the first half of the reverse is won.

When you specify action then the second bet is activated if and only if the first bet either wins or ties.

wil.

Arodd · Mar 21, 2006

so it's sort of like cutting your losses if you lose the first...rather than make that 2nd play regardless?

wilheim · Mar 21, 2006

Basically an action reverse lets you play two games with the money required to play one. You risk $220 to win $400 (at -110). The catch is a split. Split two games in an action reverse and you lose $120 - the lose of one game and the juice of another. Split two $100 straight bets you lose $10..

wil..

HellonWheels · Mar 21, 2006

Reverse bets are simply if bets that work in both directions. All reverse bets are double action: the remaining bets in the sequence will be placed if the preceding bet is a win, a push, or is cancelled for any reason. An if bet (double action) follows the sequence if Team 1 wins, ties or cancels then Team 2.Placing a reverse bet will include that sequence and its opposite: if Team 1 wins ties or cancels then Team 2" AND "if Team 2 wins, ties or cancels then Team 1.
IF Bets
You bet on an initial team or total, if that wager wins then the second wager that you chose will automatically be placed. You should therefore always list the bet you are most confident about first. If your initial bet loses, then the second wager is not placed. The status of the linked bets has nothing to do with the games’ starting times or what order they are played in, it is strictly a logical relation.

This is how I understand how they work. I have placed reverses in the past. They can get costly on a push though if the other loses. You push once and lose the loser twice. Hope this help

maxdemo · Mar 21, 2006

I see no value in this type of play...unless I am mistaken

Arodd · Mar 21, 2006

thanks fellas i appreciate it

Dubpoet · Mar 21, 2006

one thing,,, it can be used to get around "correlated parlays" as with ifs too

jademan · Mar 21, 2006

the advantage is for example: placing $20 dble action gets you 2 bets $10 to win 18 = payout $36 the difference between a parlay is that the dbl action allows you to get paid on one even if the other loses

3 team DAR for $20 actualy gets you 6 bets (risk is 18 not 20) $3 to win $6 action is teams A&B B&C A&C and the reverse B&A C&B C&A if all 6 win you still get paid $36 - you will get paid on all winners of the combinations above until a loser breaks this chain

FatTony · Mar 21, 2006

jademan said:
the advantage is for example: placing $20 dble action gets you 2 bets $10 to win 18 = payout $36 the difference between a parlay is that the dbl action allows you to get paid on one even if the other loses

3 team DAR for $20 actualy gets you 6 bets (risk is 18 not 20) $3 to win $6 action is teams A&B B&C A&C and the reverse B&A C&B C&A if all 6 win you still get paid $36 - you will get paid on all winners of the combinations above until a loser breaks this chain

There is no advantage over a parlay if that's what you're saying. The risk is just distributed differently depending on what happens.

jademan · Mar 21, 2006

Fat Tony said:
There is no advantage over a parlay if that's what you're saying. The risk is just distributed differently depending on what happens.

Agreed that $20 gets you $52 in a 2t- parlay AND in a DAR $20 only gets you $36 but in 2tparlay if you lose your second team you have lost $20- in a DAR if you lose your second you have $28 minus your $20 = $8 profit for a split.

The time to use this is when you think you have a lock and your other pick is so so - the payout when both win is better than winning two straight
bets agreed it is less than a winning parlay but in the case of a split - you lose the parlay ,you pay juice on the straights, here you have a small profit -$8 in this example but for $100 on a split profits $40

FatTony · Mar 21, 2006

jademan said:
Agreed that $20 gets you $52 in a 2t- parlay AND in a DAR $20 only gets you $36 but in 2tparlay if you lose your second team you have lost $20- in a DAR if you lose your second you have $28 minus your $20 = $8 profit for a split.

The time to use this is when you think you have a lock and your other pick is so so - the payout when both win is better than winning two straight
bets agreed it is less than a winning parlay but in the case of a split - you lose the parlay ,you pay juice on the straights, here you have a small profit -$8 in this example but for $100 on a split profits $40

It doesn't profit on a split in a reverse.

If you split on a $100 reverse, you lose $120 if both ends are laying 110 on a 100.

Team A -110
Team B +100
Team A -110
-------------
-120

jademan · Mar 21, 2006

in a 2 team dar there is only 2 bets ab & ba

jademan · Mar 21, 2006

what i am saying Tony is that $20 is 2 bets 10 to win 18
$100 is 2 bets 50 to win 90

FatTony · Mar 21, 2006

jademan said:
in a 2 team dar there is only 2 bets ab & ba

Where do you play this?

jademan · Mar 21, 2006

only on a "2 team double action reverse" - most books consider it the same as what I call a "2 if win or tie"

FatTony · Mar 21, 2006

jademan said:
only on a "2 team double action reverse" - most books consider it the same as what I call a "2 if win or tie"

Give me the book you use.

SportSavant · Mar 21, 2006

great thread,

have never played these myself

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